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today on the show former deputy

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assistant secretary of defense

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christopher mellon and former director

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of the advanced aerospace threat

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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welcome everyone to a very special live

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stream today of somewhere in the skies

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and i have to personally thank the

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debrief and specifically chrissy newton

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for putting our show together today with

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our amazing guests who we will get to in

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just a second um if you're new to the

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channel we chat all things ufos in a

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very grounded objective way we bring on

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people in all walks of life to talk

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about it and uh that's what we're gonna

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be doing today after this

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i would say pretty scathing yet very

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crucial article came out at the debrief

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uh by the author christopher mellon of

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the article who will be talking to today

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as well um we have luis jimenez from the

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unidentified celebrity review backstage

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helping us out today with the chat and

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everything in between um i do want to

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let you guys know our super chat and our

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super sticker are open but we will not

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have time to be taking listener

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questions today we have very limited

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all those together and hopefully in the

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near future we can get these two

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gentlemen to answer those for you guys

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but um without wasting any other time

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i'm going to do a little brief intro

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here of what we're going to be talking

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about so an article came out in the

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debrief yesterday february 3rd about the

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blatant absence of the united states air

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force in the uap issue this is a brief

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overview of that article

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that we'll be talking about with our

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special guests today so last june the

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director of national intelligence

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released a public report entitled

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preliminary assessment unidentified

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aerial phenomena the report confirmed

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that

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ufos or uaps were operating on a

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reoccurring basis with seeming impunity

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in restricted u.s military airspace the

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report cited 144 incidents since 2004.

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the us air force contributed very few if

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of the 144 reports how is this possible

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in light of the usaf's global

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responsibility for aerospace defense and

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its massive air and space surveillance

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capabilities the lapse in usaf reporting

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raises doubts on the credibility of the

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air force on the uap issue and its

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the author brings forth convincing data

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in indicating that the air force and its

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component organizations actually

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detected thousands of uap from 2004

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through 2021. so we are going to be

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talking all about this today with

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christopher mellon and luis elizondo

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little brief intro for both of these

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guys uh christopher mellon is the former

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deputy assistant secretary of defense

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and former staff director of the senate

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intelligence committee and luis elizondo

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is a former u.s army counterintelligence

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special agent and former director of the

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program but before we bring them in i do

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for this episode today and that is

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chrissy newton from the debrief chrissy

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thank you for joining me hi ryan thank

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you for having me again like one of my

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favorite podcasts so just happy to be

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my absolute pleasure again you are the

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one who put this all together today so i

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have to thank you and all the guys over

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at the debrief for making this happen

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with our guests who we're gonna bring in

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right now so

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welcome to somewhere in the skies we

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have christopher mellon and luis

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elizondo thank you so much for joining

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me today guys

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pleasure to be here

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thank you thank you i mean okay chris so

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i mean obvious question man this article

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getting buzz everywhere in the ufo

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community outside of the ufo community

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i've had so many former air force people

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sitting still in light of what has

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what congress had asked for and what the

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going forward and saying well we'll do

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kind of a test experiment program for a

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while and see how that goes

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my uh spectacles from being a former

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senate staffer i see the issue largely

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through that vantage point

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and uh expressing the kinds of concerns

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where i still on the staff advising a

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awesome yeah i mean and again the timing

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for this article i think uh couldn't be

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better especially since we now have

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several groups within the pentagon and

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um you know with former representatives

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getting behind the uap issue

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and forcing this topic into the

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mainstream like like never before but um

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talked a little bit about these um

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sense sensory systems that the air force

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is privy to and use on a constant basis

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briefly touch on a few of these for us

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and uh why you think the air force

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is literally the branch of the military

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that should be taking taking the reins

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on this entire issue

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sure well provided a few brief examples

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so there's a system called the space

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two locations one in the northern one in

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the southern hemisphere where this

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in orbit that passes through the beams

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of this system is going to be cataloged

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in high detail in high resolution

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incredibly powerful system

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solid state phased array radars that are

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in locations around the periphery of

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to guard us against icbm and cruise

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can see in some cases objects

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uh 20 000 miles away the size of a

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so the taxpayers money has been invested

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uh extensively to provide these

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they're obviously collecting mountains

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having any uh any incidents involving

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interesting yeah and again it just it

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goes to show like how much they should

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be on top of this and not only that but

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reporting something

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something to the pentagon something to

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congress um lou i i'd love to ask your

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time during atip and and and whatnot um

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sensory systems anything that you ever

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force specifically when it came to

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looking at uap incursions over military

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spend billions of dollars on avoiding

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you get a much better comprehensive

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of what's going on and and that is the

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value of our of our intelligence assets

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because it's not just one system

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a challenge but that therein lies the

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utility um as far as the air force kind

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the air force said for the record look

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secretary kendall i'm just simply saying

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that that's like saying okay a a

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submarine pops out of the potomac river

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and because we know it's not ours but

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we're not going to pay attention to it

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um that that really doesn't make much

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controlled u.s airspace you know there

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because of a result of of 9 11. and so

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for good or for bad and yet we know

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as a matter of fact these things

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continue to to come in

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unimpeded into our controlled u.s

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airspace um and and they're displaying

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technology quite frankly that is rather

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perplexing it it

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it's beyond anything that we have in our

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current inventory

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interesting

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yes please chris please do yeah to

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exemplify what lew's talking about the

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us space surveillance system alone

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has 29 distinct components

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in subsystems

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so you've got a ground-based optical

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network that strings the world that's

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looking at the sky

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and comparing

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the movement against the stars of any

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anything that is reflecting light from

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the sun for example and then imagine 28

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other components including satellite

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systems and ground-based radars and

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other things so it is quite an extensive

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mesh as lou said

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but part of the reason that uh in

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addition to that that it seems so

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uh

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unconscionable to me that the air force

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was not

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presenting or sharing any cases is some

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of this stuff is in the newspapers

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we've got air force interceptors taking

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off from from fighter squadrons in

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oregon chasing ufos

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that commercial airline pilots are

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reporting to the faa and the faa's got

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them on radar and we've got the

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the chatter from the pilots on radar and

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the air force is acknowledging these

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planes were scrambled so how could they

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not list and identify those as is this

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uap incidents

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um so it ranges not only from things

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that may be highly classified but things

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that are already very much in the public

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domain

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and it's very hard for me to understand

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and reconcile

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the congress's request for information

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and this seeming

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uh near complete dearth of information

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provided by the air force

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yeah i was going to ask i was going to

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lead it perfectly leads into the

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question i was going to ask then next is

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about terminology chris like you say

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that terminology might play a part in

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the reason why the air force wasn't

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handing any of the reports over um can

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you talk a little bit about that because

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maybe that's one of the reasons as well

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especially for seeing it in the

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mainstream

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well i'd like to share a story in that

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regard and this goes back to the days of

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project blue boy

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and uh there was uh some public debate

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and criticism

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between uh

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uh

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the art the the main astronomer chief

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scientist at project blue book uh mr

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heineck

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and carl sagan who was a critic of uaps

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and carl sagan said well

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if they were really these these ufos

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around certainly norad would see some of

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them

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so dr heineck went to norad headquarters

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with dr valet

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got a briefing

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challenged them and it turned out that

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the air force while they were saying we

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have no ufos they were saying oh well we

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call them ucts uncorrelated targets

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yeah we do have a lot of those but

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that's not what you asked about so

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uh you know people can't play semantic

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games in terms of how they characterize

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things and categorize things

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and uh we know that after 9 11 for

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example they provided congress

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statistics on

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uh unknowns in the atmosphere in north

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america there were hundreds of cases per

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annum they updated that in 2015 and

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provided uh data on that so why is it so

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hard to do that today and and similarly

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with space-based surveillance they

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acknowledge publicly we have thousands

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of

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unidentified objects in orbit mostly

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pieces of space debris and junk

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but again they were not forthcoming in

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terms of trying to

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provide a picture that would help

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members of congress decide

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how effective the system is do we have

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gaps do we have problems should we be

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spending more how much of a threat is or

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that sort of thing

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the members are sort of being asked to

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operate in a vacuum and i don't think

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interesting yeah yeah that's what always

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bothers me is the different terminology

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that could be um put in place to side

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step this issue and and what can be

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classified what can be unclassified as

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well and and norad is certainly the the

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place that i think a lot of people are

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looking uh the department of energy as

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well um so that kind of leads into my

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next question chris and for lou too is

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um this blanket denial that you speak of

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in the article um why

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why aren't policymakers and whatnot um

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you know kind of holding the air force

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to the flames with this thing we we the

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navy seems to be

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out front with this and being very open

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and public about it but why do you each

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personally think the air force has been

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so

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uh you know i mean just

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absent from this issue and giving what

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is been asked of them from from

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representatives from congress from the

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pentagon um yeah would either of you

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like to touch on that why why is the air

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force doing this

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i'll be happy to take an initial stab at

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it and

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you partly you seem to be asking why was

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congress uh seemingly not more

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outspoken why were they accepting this

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or allowing this to happen and i think

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the reason is because they were provided

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gross numbers

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not specific breakdowns as far as i know

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in terms of the service components so i

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don't think initially they realized that

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out of 144 incidents identified that

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they were essentially all navy

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and i think had they known that at the

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outset it would have highlighted this

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gap in this discrepancy and there would

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have been more questions

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it's taken a while to process that in

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terms of

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why that is

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um this is speculative but the the

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behavior we're observing does suggest

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that

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there's either a degree of contempt for

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civilian oversight or there's something

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that they're very concerned about

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concealing and hiding or they're very

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disorganized or some combination of the

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above

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i don't know what it is but i don't

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think it serves the uh

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yeah i'll jump on

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got a couple points here that i think

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for me may resonate um

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first of all if you look at the history

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of the us air force when this topic was

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really being discussed it goes back to

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to the cold war you had

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uh there was a winner takes all chess

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game um for for the globe really and you

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had the united states on one side and

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then you had the then soviet union on

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the other side

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and uh we're in the midst of of despite

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what people think of being a cold war is

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actually pretty hot and we had a lot of

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proxy

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wars going on as a result of that um i

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think when you when presented with with

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data and say look we've got this we've

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got priorities and can only handle so

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many priorities as a national defense

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organization you have this real threat

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where russia has nukes and we are in

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this winter winter takes all mindset

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um and then we've got this other thing

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out there that we don't really

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understand very well we don't you know

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we don't understand how it works and

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who's behind it but we don't see any

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really

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over hostile intent at least not yet so

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we probably should focus on on the real

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threat that we all agree is there which

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is then soviet union also you're talking

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about um things like operation

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and blue book right where you

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you had this white washing of certain

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data

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there was a lot of pressure on the air

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force at the time to say look these

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things aren't real let's not cause a

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panic let's just kind of tamp this down

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and we can deal with it later perhaps

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so they've said for the record to the

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american people in the congress that

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there's nothing to see here folks now

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we're asking the air force to come back

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online and say well actually maybe there

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is something here

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uh and then of course you have um

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some of the the

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efforts by the u.s air force in the past

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on this topic maybe they're

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uncomfortable you know talking about it

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maybe maybe there's some some national

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security equities involved and last but

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not least i think there may be a

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generational thing here too um you know

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generation of you folks you know chris

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and i being being the exception our

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generation intended to be a little bit

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close-minded unfortunately um and it

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also there was a time where some of this

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would would touch upon um the belief

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systems people you know

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judeo-christian beliefs uh this this may

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have had some sort of of conflict there

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personally for some people um

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we're not a situation where we have a

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new generation of of of young folks

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young americans who are far more

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open-minded um these folks uh have have

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you know really

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the entire world at their at their

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fingertips

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and the world now is is all of a sudden

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much much smaller and so i think there's

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potentially a willingness of of this

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generation to take this topic more

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seriously

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and and for me i think that's um you

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know that's a good news story there's

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all sorts of reasons why the air force

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may not want to have this conversation

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and it may frankly be a combination of

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all these factors and even some that we

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haven't yet considered

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um i do have have hope faith and

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confidence that there are some people

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brave men and women in uniform right now

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who are actually in the air force who

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are taking this topic seriously i'll

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share with you very quickly something

548
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that's frustrating for chris and i

549
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there was there was an individual an

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officer i won't say who or the rank

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that was reporting information to the to

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the task force and then was uh what was

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very quickly shut down by his uh chain

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of command saying he will not report

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this information and he was admonished

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and you will not report this information

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to the chain of command

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through the the task force chain of

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command you're going to keep this within

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air force channels and that's

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problematic because it really flies in

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the face of the intent of congress in my

563
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,280
opinion chris can probably elaborate a

564
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,120
little bit more on that but that's not

565
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,280
what congress wants congress wants a a

566
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,280
single reporting belly button so to

567
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,760
speak that all the information from all

568
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:25,919
the services can can get looked at and

569
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,120
triaged and and analyzed

570
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,679
when the services don't work together

571
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,840
things things fail this is why we had a

572
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,240
911 commission report because certain

573
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,400
elements in the intelligence community

574
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,000
simply were not sharing information that

575
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,280
they should have

576
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,679
one of probably my favorite quotes that

577
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,320
chris has is talking about

578
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,480
comparing the us and russia we won the

579
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,400
cold war not because we kept better

580
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,280
secrets but because we learned how to

581
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,080
move information more efficiently

582
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,880
and think about that for a moment um

583
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:01,039
this is probably a perfect case in point

584
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,400
on this topic

585
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,080
if we can figure out a way to move

586
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,080
information more efficiently

587
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,640
uh and and not keep this you know within

588
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,720
the super uber highly classified

589
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,600
channels that it once was

590
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:14,960
we probably stand a better chance of

591
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,470
i'm going to move into with the question

592
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,799
too then we move into leaks are we going

593
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:25,760
to see less leaks now because we have to

594
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:28,799
report them or the it has to be reported

595
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,159
now are we going to see less of that

596
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,640
i'll jump in real quick i i i

597
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,799
first of all i don't condone leaks um

598
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,720
and and i think i can speak for my

599
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,080
colleague chris here but i'll let him

600
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,520
speak for himself

601
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,360
leaks are are damaging to national

602
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,960
security none of us want there to be

603
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,600
leaks however what we also don't want is

604
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,600
the over classification of information

605
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:51,120
avril haynes the director of national

606
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,320
intelligence

607
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,159
just recently uh put out some

608
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,559
information that we we are definitely

609
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,320
hurting national security by over

610
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,400
classifying information that's not

611
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,880
helpful um information that is that is

612
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:03,760
kept

613
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,159
classified and out of the hands and away

614
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,919
from the eyes of people who need it it's

615
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,280
useless you're not doing anything with

616
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,480
it you're wasting money you're wasting

617
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,480
time you're wasting resources

618
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:15,200
so um i i do

619
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,480
think more information will be

620
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,720
forthcoming because what what has

621
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,000
happened is that congress has now

622
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,080
created a reporting mechanism required

623
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,320
in law in fact that this information

624
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,159
will be reported to the right people and

625
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,360
then in in turn that information can be

626
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,960
looked at and then provided to the

627
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,600
american people in in a consumable

628
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,679
unclassified manner what makes

629
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,200
information classified typically is

630
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,799
something called sources of methods and

631
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,960
it's the way you collect information and

632
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,559
and who collects it and how they liked

633
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:43,520
it

634
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,799
therefore

635
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,880
what i what i would propose is that

636
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,919
whoever leads this effort moving forward

637
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,919
really needs to remember that and and

638
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,840
there is a very easy way we do it all

639
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:59,279
the time with the united nations we do

640
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,640
it all the time with the american people

641
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,480
and state of the union address where you

642
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:04,559
take highly classified

643
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,360
data and you you you

644
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,799
you provide that information to the

645
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,640
american people in an unclassified

646
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:12,320
manner i don't know chris what do you

647
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,520
think

648
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,279
well

649
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,919
the unfortunate thing is part one of the

650
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,760
unfortunate things is

651
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,720
that

652
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,120
if the government if a component of the

653
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,279
government is not being forthcoming it

654
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,520
actually can encourage leaks

655
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,360
because people want to see the right

656
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,279
thing done if information is being

657
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,960
concealed and withheld from congress

658
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,039
sometimes the only way

659
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:37,200
some people feel they have to to

660
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,720
communicate it

661
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,120
is to leak it it creates more pressure

662
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,200
uh increases the likelihood of that

663
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,600
happening in some cases which is lou

664
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,279
said is unfortunate

665
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,640
but uh

666
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,240
the air force to some degree is the

667
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,559
master of their own fate here and i

668
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,159
think the more

669
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,880
sort of uh responsive they are the less

670
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,600
likely they're there is to to be uh

671
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,919
unwanted leaks on this score

672
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:03,279
when the uh

673
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,279
the defense department protects many

674
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,520
things very very well as does the

675
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,200
intelligence community the black

676
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,279
programs that i was aware of

677
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:12,880
when i was in the pentagon i don't

678
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,480
recall a single one of them leaking

679
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,480
they they were the idea that the us

680
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:20,159
government can't keep secrets is

681
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,520
nonsense

682
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,279
but when you get into controversial

683
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,200
issues and bureaucratic power struggles

684
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,039
and things that aren't really

685
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,360
a matter of sources and methods or

686
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,799
national security they're just people

687
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,240
who are trying to protect information to

688
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:35,200
protect it to prevent embarrassment

689
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,559
that sort of thing uh does lead to

690
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
unauthorized discussions with the press

691
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,360
so you may continue depending on the air

692
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,880
force plays that to see some of those

693
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:47,120
kinds of leaks

694
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,000
gotcha

695
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:51,360
um i i'd like to um to rewind for just a

696
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,640
minute with you guys chrissy that was a

697
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,799
great question um this goes back to

698
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,960
these joint airborne navy and air force

699
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,279
training exercises chris that you bring

700
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,159
up in the article and you know even

701
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,840
covered on unidentified um we heard from

702
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:07,919
several members that um

703
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:10,960
the bricks on a navy ship were taken by

704
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,000
allegedly uh some sort of body of the

705
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,559
air force um and and you do bring this

706
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,559
up in the article as a major concern

707
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,880
like why were they able to just come

708
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:23,520
down on a helicopter and like take these

709
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,880
things no questions asked so like why

710
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,520
why are these things being reported by

711
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,480
just the navy and then the air force is

712
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,880
swooping in to take any of the data on

713
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,320
it i would love for you both to comment

714
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,480
on that what your thoughts are um if

715
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,960
they've evolved at all your thoughts on

716
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,960
on that issue that you guys brought up

717
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,600
in your show very early on and um yeah

718
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:47,760
anything you want to comment on that

719
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,200
well let me let me start if i may um

720
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,880
i don't know for certain that that

721
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,720
happened with the helicopter i've heard

722
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,039
disputes about that from different navy

723
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,159
personnel

724
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,640
but one thing we do know i i believe for

725
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:03,039
certain is that the princeton radar data

726
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,320
regardless of whether it was that

727
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,559
helicopter something else was last seen

728
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,559
in the hands of the us air force

729
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,480
and it remains missing

730
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:12,880
so there's a uh there are people in the

731
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,080
government who would like to get their

732
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,679
hands on it people at navy have been

733
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,960
trying to get their hands on it they

734
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,279
want to analyze it and somehow it

735
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,120
doesn't seem to be available

736
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,440
and that is part of this larger pattern

737
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,760
lou talked about of for example leaning

738
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,520
on people who want to share information

739
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,520
with the uab task force

740
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,919
not being forthcoming with with known

741
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,480
incidents that have occurred and and so

742
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,159
forth so

743
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,760
there is a bit of a pattern there that's

744
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,000
that's a little concerning frankly

745
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:41,919
um and i think those are all questions

746
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:47,590
anything to add

747
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,480
um

748
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,720
yeah you know i'll tell you what's

749
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,880
equally perplexing the question is why

750
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,279
so the the deck logs

751
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,159
um for the princeton um are available in

752
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,159
fact deck logs for ships are available

753
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:02,880
at the national archives um and yet the

754
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,840
deck logs for for the princeton uh for

755
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,679
that particular day during the tic tac

756
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,080
encounter are missing

757
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:12,240
um they're gone it's like they were

758
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:13,440
never there

759
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:14,480
so

760
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,799
not comfortable with with this

761
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,640
conversation occurring

762
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,360
um so then one has to ask who is it and

763
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,840
why what are the equities at stake

764
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,840
that would get somebody to remove those

765
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,559
those deck logs um a human being had to

766
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,039
have been involved to do that

767
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,240
so it's not just the tapes missing uh or

768
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,440
being taken by allegedly by a helicopter

769
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,960
but there's other bits and pieces of

770
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,880
information that are just missing and

771
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,640
and that's problematic because we we

772
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,120
have institutions and in a system

773
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
for a reason um because you know people

774
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,919
need to have faith and confidence in in

775
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,679
that system and transparency is one of

776
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,240
those primary ways that we instill faith

777
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:58,000
and confidence into a system or

778
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,360
organization

779
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:00,480
so

780
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,120
be very transparent about this topic

781
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,279
or that that particular event

782
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:08,880
so we're forced to scratch our heads and

783
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,720
say why

784
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,919
you know the pilots have already come

785
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,240
out i chris will tell you uh chris was

786
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,240
very helpful with this but i i took the

787
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,080
pilots and the radar

788
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,080
operators to to actually brief the

789
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,760
secretary's staff on this topic when i

790
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,399
was when i was running a tip um and it

791
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,520
would they were

792
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,679
very very compelling um this was the

793
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,600
eyewitness testimony from the pilots

794
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,840
themselves and and radar operators who

795
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,399
are or literally in essence testifying

796
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,840
so to speak in front of dod uh senior

797
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,159
senior staff that work directly for the

798
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,520
secretary

799
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,240
and when you have you know organizations

800
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,159
within that own system

801
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,360
that are um obfuscating

802
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
that that's the problem we have that's

803
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,360
that to me is even more dangerous than

804
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:55,200
something flying in our controlled us

805
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,320
airspace

806
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,919
it's it's elements within the

807
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,000
bureaucracy that are not working with

808
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,919
other elements or or frankly that are

809
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:04,159
just ignoring the will of either

810
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,789
chrissy um do you want to take the lead

811
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,480
next do you have any uh burning

812
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,559
questions for the guys before we move on

813
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,919
well i was just going to ask where do we

814
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,919
go from here like you know chris and i

815
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,919
in my interview and he speaks a little

816
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,840
bit in the article about solutions lou

817
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,760
i'd like to hear your solutions on this

818
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,200
and like where you feel we can go

819
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,320
through next so how we can make

820
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,919
reporting better and then working with

821
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,600
the air force a little bit better as

822
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,559
well

823
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,760
exactly what the media should be doing

824
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,039
and that is reporting relevant

825
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,000
information uh to to the people um there

826
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
was a time

827
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,440
uh not too long ago that the media would

828
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,760
have run away from this topic um

829
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,679
probably with their hands in the air um

830
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,559
because of the the stigma and taboo that

831
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,520
has been

832
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,840
historically associated with this topic

833
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:53,840
um i think that's i think that's

834
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,279
changing um you know what what can

835
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,120
what can we do as an american people i

836
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,480
think we can encourage our elected

837
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,159
officials to continue to pursue this

838
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,679
topic and let them know we want this to

839
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,320
be a national priority for us

840
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,320
i think we can encourage the media

841
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,159
mainstream media to continue to pick up

842
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:12,320
this this this topic and talk about this

843
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:13,679
topic

844
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,159
under the purview of any one

845
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,080
organization or institution or

846
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,640
government um it really belongs to all

847
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,640
of us in my opinion and therefore we

848
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,440
should probably have a group

849
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,000
conversation so doing exactly what

850
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,440
you're doing now

851
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,760
is what's moving the needle

852
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,840
said it earlier you know i get i get

853
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,360
calls from dc chris will tell you the

854
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,760
same thing he did already we get calls

855
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,840
and emails from dc all the time with

856
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,000
articles and links to the debrief

857
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,919
so i mean there you have it right that

858
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,840
that's proof positive that people are

859
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,000
paying attention to what you're doing

860
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:50,000
and what you're saying and the material

861
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,279
you're providing

862
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,679
so my i guess my my suggestion would be

863
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,519
just just keep doing what you're doing

864
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,720
and and and be be courageous to enough

865
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,440
to to challenge the system i'm not

866
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,200
saying do anything illegal would it but

867
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,039
but we can do there's there's a there's

868
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,039
a lot we can do under freedom of the

869
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,279
press and freedom of speech and whatnot

870
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,840
that i think is is very helpful here i i

871
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,120
think we need to continue to have this

872
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,720
conversation like we see with abby loeb

873
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,039
and the galileo project where mainstream

874
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,039
scientists and academics now can start

875
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,880
having a conversation about this topic

876
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,640
without fear of any type of professional

877
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,000
retribution

878
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,519
but i think that's that's hugely

879
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,360
important last but not least

880
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,320
um you know i i think

881
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,519
i think we need to have this

882
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:34,080
conversation

883
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,120
openly

884
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,640
and and and

885
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,679
stop beating around the bush

886
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,919
i think transparency is is going to be

887
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,000
key here if we really want to try to

888
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,760
figure this out that's that's my two

889
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,120
cents anyways

890
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,120
you agree

891
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
chris do you want to add to that and

892
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:52,799
also i'd like to pick you back a side

893
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,279
question for you in terms of that too um

894
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,679
uh has anyone i know the article's only

895
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,080
been out for a day and a half but any

896
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,640
air force reach out to you former

897
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,279
current president you know future saying

898
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:08,080
um thank you thank you or

899
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,039
fu

900
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,640
like what what what has been the

901
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,279
reaction in response so far for you

902
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:14,799
all right well let me let me first

903
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,320
address the prior question briefly just

904
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,240
very briefly to what lou said and the

905
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,120
ball is squarely in congress's court

906
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,480
it's up to them they have the

907
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,480
constitutional responsibility they're

908
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,039
the only ones who can really compel the

909
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,600
defense department to take action

910
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,600
against their own will on this or for

911
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,360
the air force to be more more

912
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,559
forthcoming

913
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,880
and demand answers but

914
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,200
the role of the citizenry in the role of

915
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:42,640
the press

916
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,480
in stimulating congress is immense the

917
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,039
fact that this gets media coverage

918
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,120
is largely responsible for the reason

919
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,120
that the congress is interested and

920
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,000
responsive so as lou said we we do all

921
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,320
have a role to play in this and you're

922
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,240
reporting in coverage and the engagement

923
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,320
of other people is is an important

924
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:04,240
component of this

925
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,000
uh in terms of uh have i been contacted

926
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,320
uh i've received some thus far very

927
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,599
positive feedback um from from military

928
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,359
personnel and that's been a

929
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,200
pleasure and also a relief

930
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,720
when you come out with an article like

931
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,040
this and i'm making some pretty strong

932
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,040
statements here you you worry a little

933
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,879
bit you know that i missed something am

934
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,480
i getting something wrong am i going to

935
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,679
offend

936
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,560
uh some of our personnel for example and

937
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,560
thankfully that's that's not the case

938
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,679
i'm getting

939
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,560
a lot of bravo zulus for navy folks and

940
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,599
uh

941
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:41,200
date

942
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,800
good good yeah and again i think uh lou

943
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,119
said it so eloquently like we in the

944
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,399
public are we are causing ripple effects

945
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,399
with all of this i mean i'm sure once

946
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,560
the preliminary assessment came out they

947
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,520
were not expecting so much response from

948
00:35:03,430 --> 00:34:59,359
independent scientific organizations

949
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,440
uapx or galileo project or or even you

950
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,520
know what the james webb telescope

951
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,680
eventually could find these are all

952
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,240
ripple effects from the reaction of

953
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,119
that transparency that hasn't been there

954
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,000
for so long and i i think it's really

955
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,480
exciting to see the future of this topic

956
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,800
really heading in more of a scientific

957
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,760
uh direction more than just political or

958
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:25,440
or even you know

959
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,119
um you know even ufological whatever you

960
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,480
would define that word as um we're now

961
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,480
looking at this topic as how can it

962
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,960
benefit us if we were to understand the

963
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:38,720
technology being displayed or how could

964
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,920
it hurt us um so i think um i'm excited

965
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,160
to see where the next couple years go

966
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:46,320
with the gila brand amendment and and

967
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,839
this new pentagon um group coming out um

968
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,760
i do want to circle back to one thing

969
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,760
chris in the article as well that i love

970
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,160
both your thoughts on and that's uh when

971
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,280
you bring up claims about um usaf's

972
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,440
possession of materials that might

973
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:02,880
definitely answer the question of

974
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,760
whether non-human civilization has found

975
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,359
earth um

976
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,599
end quote by christopher melling do you

977
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,599
think this is the reason one of the

978
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:14,000
reasons maybe they're being so quiet i

979
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,880
mean

980
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:16,960
anyone who knows who follow gene goes

981
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,160
back to roswell in the possible recovery

982
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,119
of a downed craft of some sort or a top

983
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,599
secret military project we don't know we

984
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:28,000
probably will never know but um

985
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,440
yeah what do you make of the whole

986
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:30,800
material

987
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,920
discussion in all of this

988
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:35,839
lou do you want to start or you want me

989
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,589
i you know i i um i've said what i what

990
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,760
what i could say um

991
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,760
so um

992
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,680
you know uh probably chris you may be

993
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,320
more eloquent on that topic i didn't

994
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,880
know about that but i would say that

995
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,640
one of the points that i'm that i'm

996
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,000
trying to make in the article in that

997
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,520
regard is whether or not that is true

998
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,720
it shouldn't be the air force's decision

999
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,960
whether civilian policymakers are

1000
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,480
informed or not

1001
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,240
at the top level

1002
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,280
uh today the director of national

1003
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,880
intelligence the deputy secretary of

1004
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,119
defense it's not clear that they've

1005
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,680
gotten much more from the air force than

1006
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,240
the task force or congress have perhaps

1007
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,880
they have but that's not even clear

1008
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:27,119
so if nothing else i think we can all

1009
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,160
agree

1010
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,480
that if the air force is in position uh

1011
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,400
possession of information that is that

1012
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:33,760
radical

1013
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,880
uh that significant that profound

1014
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,280
uh at least at a minimum

1015
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,359
the top civilians in the government need

1016
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,960
to be awaiting of that

1017
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:45,200
and in the position to to be making

1018
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,400
decisions

1019
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,320
one of the reasons is because now we

1020
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,440
have the private sector in the

1021
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,960
scientific community beginning to take

1022
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,200
this seriously so the us government is

1023
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,880
no longer going to be

1024
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,160
the the

1025
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,480
only or primary source of information on

1026
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,760
this increasingly there's going to be

1027
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,520
credible information coming from the

1028
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,359
galileo project or the scientific

1029
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,920
coalition for ufology or people like

1030
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,440
jacques fellais who just published the

1031
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,000
first peer-reviewed paper on materials

1032
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:12,880
associated with a uap incident

1033
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,040
so uh to the extent that there is um

1034
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:19,040
information being concealed along these

1035
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,160
lines

1036
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,079
um there's competition now that the

1037
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,920
government didn't have before

1038
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,359
and uh that's something they need to

1039
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,000
think about as well

1040
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,160
healthy competition is always always a

1041
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,960
benefit for sure um chrissy do you have

1042
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,800
anything i've got one more from lou our

1043
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,599
producer but um yeah hop in if you want

1044
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,119
well i was just gonna say is there any

1045
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,640
been any recent conversations that

1046
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,960
you've had with the dod or the uap task

1047
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,599
force about anything data or anything

1048
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:46,960
that's going to be coming forward in the

1049
00:39:05,829 --> 00:38:51,750
i

1050
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,839
house

1051
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,160
uh prior to the gila brand amendment is

1052
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,839
that there is now a continued

1053
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,000
requirement for reporting to the public

1054
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,119
at the unclassified level so not later

1055
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,680
than october 31st we should

1056
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,920
receive another unclassified report

1057
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,320
available to everyone on on what is

1058
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,720
going on here so that's that's

1059
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,560
terribly terribly important

1060
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,280
and in fact one of the most important

1061
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,000
uh components of that legislation and

1062
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,760
that will produce more information if we

1063
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,839
don't get anything before them

1064
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,119
okay

1065
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:40,160
fair enough um well yeah and i mean too

1066
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,680
i think it's really interesting um that

1067
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,520
once we these reports start coming out

1068
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,760
to the public i know lou i know your

1069
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,440
thoughts on leaks and i completely

1070
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,240
understand um but do you do either of

1071
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,320
you personally think we're gonna see

1072
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,640
what happened right before that first

1073
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,880
assessment came out we started getting

1074
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,200
um quote-unquote leaked videos i don't

1075
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,440
want to get into the debate of sources

1076
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,079
and and um you know stuff like that we

1077
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,240
could debate that forever but um do you

1078
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,960
guys think we might see this reaction

1079
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,160
from within

1080
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:14,800
of some people being like i know they're

1081
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,200
not going to bring this up so

1082
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,440
here you go um is the debris going to

1083
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,560
get that triangle video finally

1084
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,359
i think the beauty about congress being

1085
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,359
involved is congress can do a lot of

1086
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,640
things that

1087
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:30,160
that

1088
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,040
we can't um they have a requirement to

1089
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,040
represent their constituency

1090
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:37,839
uh it's an obligation and so if they get

1091
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,400
a draft copy of a report and it's not

1092
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,480
answering scratching their itch so to

1093
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,839
speak answering the questions that they

1094
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,079
want answered then there's a very good

1095
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,200
chance you're going to see them go

1096
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,599
public with with their concern as we've

1097
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,800
seen in the past right there have been

1098
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,520
some outspoken spoken folks on the hill

1099
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,520
uh whether it's marco rubio or tim

1100
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,400
burchette or gillibrand and and

1101
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,200
gallegos warner everybody else

1102
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,880
um you know they're not they're not

1103
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,720
afraid to speak their mind

1104
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,319
and and and communicate with their

1105
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:08,160
constituents and say hey look you know

1106
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,920
this is this is what's going well and

1107
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,680
this is what's not going well and i

1108
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,599
think we can expect that you know they

1109
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,640
they are

1110
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,839
they seem to be committed to

1111
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,400
transparency on this topic which should

1112
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,280
be

1113
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,560
applauded

1114
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,599
um

1115
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,319
and

1116
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,160
i congratu congratulate them for for

1117
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,440
doing that

1118
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,440
as far as you're talking about triangle

1119
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,440
videos and other leaks you know chris

1120
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,280
said absolutely right when people feel

1121
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,720
and i think one of actually one of your

1122
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,480
audience kind of wrote this in a tweet

1123
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,599
as well

1124
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,240
uh in a message that when people lose

1125
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,480
faith and confidence in the system and

1126
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,480
they feel like they've got nowhere to go

1127
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,160
then that's when you start seeing the

1128
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,680
leads when you start seeing people

1129
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,839
getting frustrated because the system

1130
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,839
isn't working um

1131
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,760
and again i don't necessarily condone

1132
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,160
that but but that seems to be kind of

1133
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,000
the kind of the trend so

1134
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,000
if if the department of defense the

1135
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,079
intelligence community don't want any

1136
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,599
more leaks then

1137
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,160
i my suggestion would be for them to be

1138
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,000
more transparent be as transparent as

1139
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:09,119
possible on this topic

1140
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,400
that's fair

1141
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,040
echo that there's a

1142
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,720
almost unprecedented deficit of trust

1143
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:19,280
in the american government right now

1144
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,520
generally writ large on any topic

1145
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,200
then when we talk about the air force in

1146
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,480
this issue

1147
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,240
if anything it's only worse the

1148
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:29,680
skepticism

1149
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,400
is

1150
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,839
pervasive

1151
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,400
so it's an opportunity for the air force

1152
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,040
to try to to set the record straight and

1153
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,200
turn things around and thus far

1154
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,440
unfortunately they've been doing uh just

1155
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:42,800
the opposite

1156
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,400
they've been circling the wagons uh not

1157
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,640
sharing information even with

1158
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:50,079
other components of the defense

1159
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,440
department even with the deputy

1160
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,000
secretary's own task force

1161
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,480
so to me that's that's outrageous and

1162
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,400
that's that's what prompted me to write

1163
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,240
the article um

1164
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,400
if the deputy secretary himself cannot

1165
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,480
get straight answers after months and

1166
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,240
months we live in an information age

1167
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:07,920
where you can ask syria question get an

1168
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,880
answer in seconds we invested billions

1169
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,599
and billions to try to integrate our

1170
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,680
information systems to produce quick

1171
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,680
answers for decision makers for policy

1172
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,160
makers and here we have a whole team set

1173
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,800
up that is dispatched to go out and get

1174
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,720
information about this topic and put it

1175
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,040
together for the top leaders of the

1176
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,880
defense department and they're getting

1177
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,400
stonewalled

1178
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,240
i mean to me that is outrageous i'm

1179
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,400
sorry that but that's why i i felt i

1180
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,400
needed to speak out and say something so

1181
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,920
what then what happens when if this

1182
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,720
keeps going on if they keep stonewalling

1183
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,000
and then other departments keep

1184
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,599
stonewalling too what will be the

1185
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,800
outcome of it what's the cause and

1186
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,000
effect

1187
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,000
this this really comes down to to the

1188
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,359
congress and what their their

1189
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,640
temperature level is what they're

1190
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,640
willing to put up with if they

1191
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,240
if they don't want to challenge this and

1192
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,079
no no the seniors in the department want

1193
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,720
to challenge this then it'll continue as

1194
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,240
is until

1195
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,000
something else develops something new

1196
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,720
happens that changes the the mix

1197
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,920
but i don't think that's going to prove

1198
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,240
to be the case i think that there are

1199
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,119
enough members now who understand that

1200
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,520
they can talk about this publicly

1201
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,000
it's not only okay it's important

1202
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,920
it's a flight safety issue it's a

1203
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,000
national security issue

1204
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,800
uh and an urgent one and so i think

1205
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,640
they're gonna demand answers and i think

1206
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,240
they will be forthcoming and i think

1207
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:27,920
2022

1208
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:31,280
could be uh another transformative year

1209
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,240
another

1210
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,280
year of great strides forward and better

1211
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,280
understanding what the uh what's really

1212
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,720
happening out there

1213
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,800
and chris if i can jump in real quick my

1214
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,800
my concern right now

1215
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,880
uh with with where we are in this

1216
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,119
conversation is that it's um

1217
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,839
there's a bit of a

1218
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:52,079
precariousness right now urgency and

1219
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,520
part of that is because as a nation

1220
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,280
we're dealing with a lot of issues right

1221
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,440
we're still in the heels of covet uh

1222
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,440
which has been a huge social stress for

1223
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,680
our nation there's uh financial

1224
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,760
uncertainty uh within the markets

1225
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,599
sometimes there's issues that we're

1226
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,440
dealing every crisis du jour whether

1227
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119
there's a border issue

1228
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,359
uh or there is issues in the crimean

1229
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,920
peninsula right now in ukraine or south

1230
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:16,400
china sea and taiwan i mean there's

1231
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,359
there's

1232
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,119
we're dealing with a lot as a people

1233
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,440
we're dealing with a lot uh and and so

1234
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,200
is congress and we need to be

1235
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,119
understanding that that congress only

1236
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880
has so much bandwidth

1237
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,040
and and we're gonna have to be patient

1238
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,000
with them um i i i remain very

1239
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,839
optimistic and hopeful

1240
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,359
that congress will continue to take this

1241
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,839
topic very seriously and i'm hopeful

1242
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,680
that the executive branch will do what

1243
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,280
is supposed to do to the letter of the

1244
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,839
law uh in response to congress but

1245
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,680
ultimately it's up to us to make sure

1246
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,480
that this topic remains a priority

1247
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,880
we need to remind congress that this is

1248
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,560
a topic that should be

1249
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,480
one of our priorities as we handle all

1250
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,000
these other issues

1251
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,160
we need to remind the media that that

1252
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,920
they need to continue reporting on this

1253
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,160
topic so so we don't lose the bubble

1254
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,240
right we don't lose the sight picture

1255
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,839
and so that would be my my

1256
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,520
recommendation i agree wholeheartedly

1257
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,640
with chris's assessment that fy 22 and

1258
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,319
calendar year 22

1259
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,560
um could be a banner year for this

1260
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,760
discussion um but you know we can't just

1261
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,240
sit idly back and expect

1262
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,079
good things to happen without a little

1263
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,680
bit of encouragement i mean it's it

1264
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:24,800
still takes

1265
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,760
all of us all of you to engage uh as you

1266
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,160
have been doing and keeping this topic

1267
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,880
um front and center so that's

1268
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,520
that would be my advice

1269
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,119
i like that and you know what i

1270
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,599
appreciate too chris in the article you

1271
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,400
even used some of the research by

1272
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,680
uh civilian ufo researchers i i know you

1273
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,520
know with the norad stuff that you

1274
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:49,680
discovered and whatnot um these have

1275
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,880
been out there for years but nobody's

1276
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,480
been paying attention

1277
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,640
and i think it's really exciting to know

1278
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,119
that yes we do still have a place in

1279
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:02,240
this and yes you know we do pay taxes

1280
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,839
in order to um you know fund these sorts

1281
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,000
of things that should be a protecting us

1282
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,720
and be being transparent with us about

1283
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,560
how they're protecting us and what not

1284
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,119
um to a certain extent to a next certain

1285
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,920
extent um but i do want to ask both your

1286
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,480
thoughts on this um and a lot of people

1287
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,319
have asked this since

1288
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,280
you know even the first um

1289
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,680
sort of murmurs of a task force came

1290
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,280
about is why

1291
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:32,720
2004 why why aren't we going back to

1292
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,880
other declassified sensory systems um i

1293
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,400
know in your article i mean you went

1294
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,240
back man to um

1295
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:42,880
to cases involving nuclear installations

1296
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,960
or icbms and and whatnot um why

1297
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,640
is it because they're trying to be

1298
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,440
proactive and start clean and move

1299
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,680
forward or why are they not using any of

1300
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,000
the data that could be out there from

1301
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,119
from previous uh collections of these

1302
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,920
uaps if if that's clear

1303
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,920
i'll i'll speculate a lot with theory

1304
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,359
and that is that they couldn't ignore

1305
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,280
the nimitz incident in the nimitz case

1306
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,200
it had received so much press and so

1307
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,559
much discussion

1308
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,800
and that was 2004

1309
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,280
and so i think they chose that date and

1310
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,359
decided to work from from that date

1311
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,960
forward to the present

1312
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,960
that would be my guess prior to that

1313
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:21,920
time

1314
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,200
there's a a long interim there between

1315
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,760
the end of project blue book and and

1316
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,520
something that's really in the public

1317
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,680
domain that's well substantiated but i

1318
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:33,119
don't know for certain that's that's a

1319
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,750
real quick yeah um

1320
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:42,160
i think you know look my my background

1321
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,599
uh has been that of of of special agent

1322
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,000
and counterintelligence so we look at

1323
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:50,240
things in terms of think of of cases

1324
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,040
right

1325
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,920
and when you go back beyond 2004

1326
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,760
they tend to be in terms of of what we

1327
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,839
call a cold case right cold cases are

1328
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:00,160
usually harder to solve because as time

1329
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,240
goes on um you you lose fidelity of of

1330
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,480
of the information and and that's very

1331
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,920
true when you're looking at historical

1332
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,040
events

1333
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,480
that are still very interesting and

1334
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,160
intriguing and important

1335
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,920
um you know going back to the 50s and

1336
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,480
60s we did not have the collection

1337
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,640
capabilities that we have now

1338
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,480
we just didn't have it we had radar we

1339
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,760
had things like that but

1340
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,680
but we we did not have the level of

1341
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,440
sophistication and fidelity that we have

1342
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,520
now um and awareness so that may be part

1343
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,319
of it

1344
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,960
um i also think maybe could be

1345
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,280
uh to some degree the attention span you

1346
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,440
know when i was briefing senior leaders

1347
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:37,200
and the pentagon you know if i were to

1348
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,559
bring back something that happened in

1349
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,559
1960s or 70s

1350
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,920
they probably at that point would be

1351
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,440
like little i'm not interested in that

1352
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,119
i'm interested in now because this is my

1353
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,839
job now i don't care what happened 10 20

1354
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,599
30 years ago i care about what's

1355
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,800
happening now and what's going to happen

1356
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,760
tomorrow so from that perspective you

1357
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,280
know the the

1358
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,200
i think the the nimitz incident is

1359
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,880
recent enough

1360
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,960
where and there's enough information

1361
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,200
there that provides a very compelling

1362
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,800
case um

1363
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:07,440
and that would be you know perhaps a

1364
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,480
more

1365
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,440
from an operational perspective why

1366
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,839
we don't go back too far in history in

1367
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,839
some of these cases i personally think

1368
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,920
they're valuable i think they're very

1369
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,520
it's very helpful to look at because as

1370
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,359
we've seen with the tic tac event and

1371
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,400
the nimitz

1372
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,160
in the 60s they referred to them as a

1373
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,640
flying white throat lozenge about 40

1374
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,319
feet and in the 50s they described him

1375
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,119
as a white flying butane tank

1376
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,800
seems like the same topic you know same

1377
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,720
same object to me right uh doing the

1378
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,920
same things

1379
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,960
um

1380
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,839
so

1381
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,280
you know there you have it i think i

1382
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,440
think historical

1383
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,200
knowledge is important

1384
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,119
um but at the same time

1385
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,400
is it as relevant as recent information

1386
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,079
to a decision maker probably not when

1387
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,599
chris was at the pentagon or when he was

1388
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,720
on the hill

1389
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,040
if my job was to brief him um i would

1390
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,480
probably focus more on the the current

1391
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,920
events than

1392
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,359
some of the past stuff because really

1393
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,440
that's his focus he he needs to make a

1394
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:05,040
decision and i need to give him

1395
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,319
information so he can make a

1396
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:08,000
well-informed decision

1397
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,359
and it's hard to do that with some of

1398
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,760
the older cases

1399
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,400
yeah that's fair yeah um well we're

1400
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,640
we're sort of wrapping things up here

1401
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,960
guys but um i just kind of want to open

1402
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,040
it up to both of you um

1403
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:23,760
in terms of i guess

1404
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,640
uh chris we'll start with you

1405
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,280
of what we've discussed today um is

1406
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,040
there anything

1407
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,200
in the article that you really want to

1408
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,640
get out there or you found most

1409
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,119
compelling that we haven't discussed yet

1410
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,440
i loved the um you know the little

1411
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,359
personal bit about you talking to

1412
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,760
someone in the air force about things

1413
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:45,920
they'd seen or had um

1414
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,800
tried to report but couldn't um but yeah

1415
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,319
is there anything we haven't discussed

1416
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,319
yet that you really want to get across

1417
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,720
to uh to the reader and to the public at

1418
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,319
large

1419
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,760
well thanks for providing that

1420
00:52:01,190 --> 00:52:00,319
opportunity and the opportunity today

1421
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,200
um

1422
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,880
i think the key points are this is very

1423
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:07,839
real this is no longer just a matter of

1424
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,720
hollywood movies or science fiction

1425
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,800
uh just the other day the united arab

1426
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,559
emirates was was hit

1427
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:16,960
by an attack from from houthi rebels in

1428
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,079
yemen who have are very unsophisticated

1429
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,680
technologically but they were able to

1430
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,200
inflict damage

1431
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,520
across the arabian peninsula

1432
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,520
earlier they took 50 percent of saudi

1433
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,520
oil refining capacity offline with

1434
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,800
drones

1435
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,880
uh we're now having things swarming

1436
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:35,040
around navy ships that we're not quite

1437
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,319
sure what to do with or where they're

1438
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,480
from that's happening at air force bases

1439
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,480
uh for example in guam

1440
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:43,040
around criticals military systems

1441
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,400
uh where

1442
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,800
the report identified they said in most

1443
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:48,720
instances the reports that came forth

1444
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,680
144 were because these objects were

1445
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,319
interrupting military training exercises

1446
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,160
or plans

1447
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,319
okay and that's just that the nub that's

1448
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,520
just the ones that that came forward so

1449
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,599
this is a real issue

1450
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,839
there's serious data the report mentions

1451
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,680
11 near

1452
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,599
mid-air collisions

1453
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,839
uh you know another legitimate issue and

1454
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,680
again there are many reports that we're

1455
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,200
not in there we know from canada of

1456
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,280
another case

1457
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,800
so i think the main thing i'm trying to

1458
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,160
convey is

1459
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,960
very important very significant lots of

1460
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,960
important unasked questions i listed a

1461
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,240
number of the questions there that i

1462
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,040
hope members of congress will will make

1463
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,559
some use of

1464
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,720
and i think if they do

1465
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,400
we can make some headway and depending

1466
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,760
on the answers

1467
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,280
there may be ultimately some very

1468
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,599
surprising answers and although this can

1469
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,559
be sometimes a frightening subject the

1470
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,640
answers that are produced

1471
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,119
could have a very positive effect

1472
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,880
depending what they are they could be

1473
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,359
very very profound but i think we have

1474
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,200
to follow the trail wherever it leads i

1475
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:54,640
think that's our destiny that's what we

1476
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,440
have to do

1477
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,079
i love that lou anything to add to that

1478
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:01,680
um should we

1479
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,720
be seeking positive answers or i know in

1480
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,640
the past you've said um some of those

1481
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,559
answers might be pretty somber might

1482
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,200
really make us reflect on who we are

1483
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,839
where we've been where we're going um

1484
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,800
yeah what did you pull or extrapolate

1485
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,960
from chris's article that you think is

1486
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
you know prescient and really needs to

1487
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,359
get out there right now um

1488
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:25,200
that's a lot of questions right there

1489
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,920
but

1490
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,920
truth be told all of it everything he

1491
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,559
said needs to be out and uh you know

1492
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,400
it's it's a very dense piece because

1493
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,160
this is a very complex issue we're

1494
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,920
dealing with there's a lot of moving

1495
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,680
parts to this a lot of interests and

1496
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,280
considerations

1497
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,680
and um you know chris's assessment on

1498
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,920
the on the sit on this current situation

1499
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,680
i couldn't agree more with i think he's

1500
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:47,280
absolutely right but i will also give

1501
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:48,799
one word of advice

1502
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,400
to anybody who is trying to to figure

1503
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,880
this this incredible enigma out

1504
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:57,839
um the greatest challenge i think we're

1505
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,480
going to face is going to be our own

1506
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,400
psyche um

1507
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,839
we look at everything um

1508
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,520
anthropology anthropomorphically uh

1509
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,799
where we

1510
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,760
um

1511
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,599
we tend to assign

1512
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,160
human attributes to everything including

1513
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,079
our pets right at home right they're

1514
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,480
such a good little boy such a you know

1515
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,440
cute girl um that's how we kind of treat

1516
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,200
our animals and and we look in terms of

1517
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,000
that way but we have to also be prepared

1518
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,319
to to look at things um

1519
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,559
perhaps even more abstractly perhaps

1520
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,160
that our our current understanding of

1521
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,200
the universe is is really in reality the

1522
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,160
universe is far more complex and it may

1523
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,319
not be an either or scenario my greatest

1524
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,839
fear is you know when

1525
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:44,079
push comes to shove if

1526
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,040
if contact were to happen tomorrow

1527
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,680
will we stand there with uh with a a

1528
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,119
hand extended

1529
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,079
or or point a machine gun um

1530
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,760
and and that's kind of the way we we

1531
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,599
look at terms very binary right it's

1532
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,520
either friend or foe and

1533
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,119
and nature in life is far more

1534
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:03,280
complicated than that the chances are of

1535
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,200
it being just friendly or a foe

1536
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,720
may be minimal it may be somewhere in

1537
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,960
the middle right and so we need we need

1538
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,480
to make sure that

1539
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,480
that we

1540
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,119
we provide relevant information to our

1541
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,040
senior leaders and decision makers and

1542
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,200
policy makers of our country

1543
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,720
so they can make a well-informed

1544
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,400
decision that's ultimately what what

1545
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,240
needs to happen and they can't make a

1546
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,319
well-informed decision if information is

1547
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,640
being hidden from them that for me is

1548
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,720
the greatest danger they you know let

1549
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:34,559
let the chips fall where they fall

1550
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,359
provide the information necessary so our

1551
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,960
our leaders can make

1552
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,640
make a good decision whatever that

1553
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,200
decision winds up being you know if you

1554
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,640
if you keep information this was my

1555
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,760
frustration with the department of

1556
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,799
defense

1557
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,799
because i wasn't being permitted to get

1558
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,440
the one guy who needed the information

1559
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:53,520
the information was getting to and that

1560
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,559
to me is is problematic so um that would

1561
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:58,640
be that would be my that'd be my

1562
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,710
that's fair um well i i i'd love to ask

1563
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,640
personal question lou if you don't mind

1564
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,280
before we we um we wrap things up here

1565
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,559
um where where are you now with your

1566
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,000
your um

1567
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,400
run-ins with the dod and and the

1568
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,200
pentagon and everything that you had

1569
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,880
issues with with them um any

1570
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,880
developments on that that you can

1571
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,319
updates with or you're just still

1572
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,880
fighting the good fight with him

1573
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,160
um

1574
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,240
you know i i'm gonna let the department

1575
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,799
of defense speak for themselves um you

1576
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,079
know there's a lot of good people in the

1577
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:36,000
department there there really are

1578
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,440
and i think there's more good people in

1579
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:39,359
department than pat a lot more thank

1580
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,400
goodness

1581
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:42,799
uh and i have full faith and confidence

1582
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,920
in their abilities to to

1583
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,440
have this conversation and it's

1584
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,359
happening right now behind the scenes

1585
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,119
every day you have

1586
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,280
intelligence analysts on on these

1587
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,839
specific enclaves electronic enclaves

1588
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,680
analyzing data and information you have

1589
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:59,119
discussions occurring at the senior

1590
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,480
executive and

1591
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,599
and uh flag officer level and now at the

1592
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,920
political level so so the conversation's

1593
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:09,280
occurring i um you know i

1594
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,920
i hope that those elements in the

1595
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,839
department of defense that have have

1596
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
said things that are accurate

1597
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,240
are are held accountable but at the end

1598
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,760
of the day

1599
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,240
i i'm less worried about that and if if

1600
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,640
the cost of of someone coming out and

1601
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,400
apologizing to me is

1602
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,119
this topic um you know loses any type of

1603
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,000
of uh momentum i'd rather choose the

1604
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,240
topic but chris and i are committed very

1605
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,520
much to this

1606
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,359
to this subject more so than we are

1607
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,720
committed to our own self and

1608
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,720
self-preservation um

1609
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:42,319
it's important that this conversation

1610
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:43,280
occur

1611
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,559
so

1612
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,760
i know i'm probably eating around the

1613
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,480
book but i'll um i'll leave it at that

1614
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,520
chris i'd like to add something here um

1615
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:53,119
in terms of loose situations that you

1616
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:54,480
brought it up

1617
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,920
um i've never uh directed anyone on a

1618
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,599
podcast or anything to my website but i

1619
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,880
did write something about lou's

1620
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,640
situation

1621
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,480
on my website that people might find of

1622
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,319
interest called why hasn't dod offered

1623
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:09,119
louie's old job back and uh i expressed

1624
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,400
a lot of concern and frustration that

1625
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,880
somebody who is following the advice

1626
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,799
we're always given you know be

1627
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,200
independent be willing to buck the crowd

1628
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,599
think outside the box so here's a guy

1629
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,960
who does that

1630
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,359
and is trying to warn the system you

1631
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,200
know there's there's barbarians inside

1632
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,960
the gate or somebody is

1633
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:30,720
and it's trying to bring the sound the

1634
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,760
alarm

1635
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,640
and

1636
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,359
instead you know there they kind of shun

1637
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,839
him because of alleged minor

1638
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,119
bureaucratic

1639
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,960
uh infractions or something when

1640
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:42,319
everything he said has been proven

1641
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,359
correct

1642
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:44,720
and he did what they're always telling

1643
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,880
you to do so uh i i'm confident that

1644
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,640
ultimately this will be resolved

1645
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,319
favorably for lou

1646
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,559
and uh i have a few words about that on

1647
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,920
my website chrisfield.net if uh

1648
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,440
people who are interested in that topic

1649
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,520
might might want to pursue might want to

1650
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:03,839
take a look at

1651
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,640
thank you thanks chris um well chrissy

1652
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,880
any last questions for the gentleman

1653
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,960
before we let them go and we uh we

1654
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,319
debrief here

1655
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,000
no that said on my end i just want to

1656
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,359
say thank you guys great conversation

1657
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,559
absolutely um well before you guys go

1658
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,119
um chris can you tell us where we can

1659
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:24,960
obviously your website but i know you're

1660
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,079
on twitter as well and um yeah what what

1661
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,400
comes next man what what are you working

1662
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,319
on i know that's the first question once

1663
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,720
an article comes out what's next it just

1664
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,200
took me a year to write this one

1665
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,720
yeah what comes next for you man where

1666
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:40,480
can we find what you're up to

1667
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:41,359
uh

1668
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,119
pipeline right now but what i'm

1669
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,799
concentrated on is

1670
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,000
is trying to uh collaborate with other

1671
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,359
parties who are interested in this

1672
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:54,000
ranging from the galileo project to

1673
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,920
friends of dod or on the hill and

1674
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,960
elsewhere

1675
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,520
and uh try to be of assistance where i

1676
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:01,280
can

1677
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:02,480
awesome

1678
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,720
but you do a lot behind the scenes too

1679
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,400
what comes next and where can we find

1680
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,400
what you're up to got a lot of irons in

1681
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,559
the fire

1682
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,640
you know um

1683
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,400
some of them are not quite yet to the

1684
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,079
point where i feel comfortable talking

1685
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,400
about them um because uh

1686
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,000
you know

1687
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,240
been a little bit sensitive um and

1688
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,839
requires other people to do certain

1689
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,319
things as well um so i'll keep those

1690
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,160
right now close to my chest

1691
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,640
but know that um we are working very

1692
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:34,799
very hard behind the scenes um i'll be

1693
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:37,680
in dc next week um you know that's not a

1694
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,400
coincidence um we're working you know we

1695
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,480
don't just go and and and hang out at

1696
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,480
the at the local bars there on capitol

1697
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:47,119
hill um we we spent a great deal of our

1698
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,160
time

1699
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,480
working this topic and only this topic

1700
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,799
so um

1701
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,640
yeah there you have it

1702
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:56,319
that's fair man i mean if there's

1703
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,520
anything i've learned from talking to

1704
01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:59,760
you and chris it's uh there are no

1705
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,960
coincidences so um i look forward to

1706
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,720
whatever comes next for both of you i

1707
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,400
want to thank everyone for your

1708
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,000
your questions and everything like i

1709
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,680
mentioned we didn't have time today but

1710
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,440
hopefully these guys will be able to

1711
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,440
answer some of them on twitter for you

1712
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,200
or maybe we'll have them back in the

1713
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,480
future to discuss some of those um but

1714
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:19,920
other than that we're just going to have

1715
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:22,480
some debrief time here gentlemen so i'm

1716
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,680
going to let um mr elizondo and mr melon

1717
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,760
go but i want to wish you both the best

1718
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,680
with everything moving forward chris

1719
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,400
wonderful wonderful work um

1720
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:34,960
i i can't wait to see the reactions from

1721
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,599
within and on the outside on this one

1722
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,240
and um we needed this because a lot of

1723
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,720
people in this field are pissed off that

1724
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,480
the one branch of the military that

1725
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,920
should be talking

1726
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:48,000
isn't and that comes on the cusp of

1727
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,119
another

1728
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,680
um you know branch of the military just

1729
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:54,000
starting up now that could become a big

1730
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,359
player in this as well and that's the

1731
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,680
space force so again the future is

1732
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,079
uncertain but um it's bright with with

1733
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,599
everything you guys have brought forward

1734
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,000
so with that i want to thank both of you

1735
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,440
today for coming on somewhere in the

1736
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,720
skies

1737
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,799
thanks for having us appreciate it

1738
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,480
my pleasure and honor as always guys

1739
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:12,240
thank you so much for doing this see you

1740
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,000
in dc next week

1741
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,799
there you go told you no coincidences

1742
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,960
thank you guys appreciate your time have

1743
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:22,640
a good rest of your day

1744
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,240
good to see you both

1745
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,920
bye

1746
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:27,200
wow

1747
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,390
i know right and guys again thank you

1748
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,119
i've been watching the chat um lou has

1749
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,039
done an incredible job keeping up with

1750
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:43,200
that um i know there were super check

1751
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,400
questions and stuff

1752
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,960
thank you thank you i will make sure all

1753
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,960
of your questions get to the two guys

1754
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:50,960
and um when they can if they can they

1755
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,760
will they will answer those um but i'm

1756
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:55,200
gonna bring lou bring yourself in

1757
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,280
brother get in here round of applause

1758
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:01,680
you did an incredible job

1759
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,039
it killed it

1760
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:04,799
no worries yeah that was fun have you

1761
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:09,280
done this before luis i don't know

1762
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,750
i thought it was a great interview there

1763
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,280
was some there was a couple things i was

1764
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:19,599
writing down um

1765
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,319
as uh as it was going down um but you

1766
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,240
know i did save the super chat so if you

1767
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,200
want to say thank you to mark and diy

1768
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,200
craft and john

1769
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,440
sorry these are these are slip pulling

1770
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,200
up and mark thank you guys all that was

1771
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,640
amazing thank you

1772
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,400
thank you i'm sure ryan you can save

1773
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,039
these super chats and um you know

1774
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,359
hopefully you can get to them i know ufo

1775
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,280
joe had a great question

1776
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,839
um it was it wasn't a super chat so uh

1777
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:46,960
you know hopefully

1778
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,559
that's a good one

1779
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,559
um thank you yeah thank you i'll get

1780
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,480
that

1781
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,400
uh and thank you so yeah so thank you

1782
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:56,880
guys for that um yes so i mean like the

1783
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,520
the thing that i found really funny

1784
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,200
well not funny but it was just an

1785
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:03,599
interesting moment when they were like

1786
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:06,559
you you want to talk no you you got this

1787
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,440
one

1788
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,280
and then loose says a little bit of

1789
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,799
something that he's like yeah pitch it

1790
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,359
back to chris it was and it was this

1791
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,520
idea of

1792
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:17,440
criticizing the air force it's like

1793
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:19,599
they're walking on eggshells because

1794
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,960
they wanted

1795
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,039
i feel like they want to say more than

1796
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,359
they can in the critique of the air

1797
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,200
force and they're trying to be as

1798
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,440
politically

1799
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,680
neutral as possible so they don't

1800
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:34,160
piss anybody off um yeah these are their

1801
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,430
yeah and they have to play that dance

1802
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,359
i'm not surprised i would actually be

1803
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,520
sure shocked if they didn't you know

1804
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,240
it's their relationships so i'm i'm not

1805
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,520
shocked yeah

1806
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:49,680
i agree you know i remember talking to

1807
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,400
um

1808
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:52,559
you know stephen bassett the like you

1809
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,480
know the poster child for ufo disclosure

1810
01:06:01,750 --> 01:05:58,720
and asking him once i'm like

1811
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:01,760
i know man you've put years decades into

1812
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,799
this now banging on doors and trying to

1813
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,559
get that disclosure get the truth

1814
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,640
embargo ended i'm like what's like the

1815
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:10,400
biggest thing you've learned and he's

1816
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:13,839
like i learned early on like the way to

1817
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:16,559
do this is not you've lied you're

1818
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,000
horrible people that you know it that's

1819
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,839
not the way to do it i think you know

1820
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:24,000
respectfully um something like the big

1821
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,839
phone home we had a lot of people in the

1822
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,480
chat saying like this is our opportunity

1823
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:31,359
now that chris has laid it out like

1824
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:34,960
decades of um you know incidents that

1825
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:37,520
have occurred with the air force and and

1826
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,640
evidence that something's going on uh

1827
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,440
now it's in our hands and let's pressure

1828
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,520
them let's tweet to them let's send them

1829
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,440
letters like we did with our

1830
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,599
representatives that literally made

1831
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,760
change again you had representatives

1832
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,520
that were on the big phone home that

1833
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,559
went on

1834
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,319
the floor of congress

1835
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:58,160
months and months later and actually

1836
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,880
brought this topic up and you can't deny

1837
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,640
that that didn't have something to do

1838
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:05,599
with what lou put together um these

1839
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,599
thousands of tweets and retweets that

1840
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,520
they were getting at their official

1841
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,599
twitter handles like it makes a

1842
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:13,680
difference and we hear lou say this all

1843
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,760
the time like we're all a team and we're

1844
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,119
in this together and a lot of people are

1845
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,119
like yeah whatever man like nothing's

1846
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,119
ever gonna change it's gonna continue

1847
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:23,039
and i understand that to an extent

1848
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:25,839
people are frustrated they're angry but

1849
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,440
um i think he's right like if we ignore

1850
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:32,000
it if we let the topic go they're gonna

1851
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,359
realize that and then that's when

1852
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,880
they're gonna move on

1853
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,480
there's a reason all of this started

1854
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,319
coming forward in the middle of a

1855
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,119
pandemic and now we have you know some

1856
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,079
scary stuff going on with um rival

1857
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,240
nations that have occurred in the past

1858
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,319
couple days that could really put this

1859
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:50,880
topic either on the back burner again

1860
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,079
or could become even bigger i don't know

1861
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,559
but um yeah what do you guys think um

1862
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,400
what are your thoughts on what we should

1863
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,960
do to i just love to keep the air force

1864
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,119
under the flames yeah i just love what

1865
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,520
chris was doing though i think that

1866
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:08,079
him writing an essay form an opinion but

1867
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:09,839
showing it and backing with data and

1868
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,839
then having it shared and then obviously

1869
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,599
talking about it like i think that's the

1870
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:15,440
best way and one of the best ways to

1871
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,640
have these conversations because i

1872
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,000
believe like pointing fingers is never

1873
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,239
going to get you anywhere but be able to

1874
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,400
academically do it and express it

1875
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:24,000
through opinion but then yeah backing

1876
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,159
your facts like there's no way anyone's

1877
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,319
going to compete with that and you can't

1878
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,080
so i think we if we keep doing that and

1879
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,600
everyone keeps doing that yeah i would

1880
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,600
even say civilians keep doing that if

1881
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,000
you back your argument with fact and

1882
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:38,159
look it up and have research behind that

1883
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,679
it's going to stay and no one's going to

1884
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,759
be able to to really you know critique

1885
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,839
you too much on it so i think it's it's

1886
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,279
a great solution and i think we keep

1887
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:47,440
doing that

1888
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:49,199
yeah i mean i agree with that also i

1889
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,799
mean yeah i wrote down a couple of

1890
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,199
things i mean

1891
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,560
chris malin does this all the time

1892
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,319
especially through his blog

1893
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,920
he's literally giving us the playbook

1894
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,520
and in this article

1895
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,440
he gives us a list of questions for

1896
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,040
congress

1897
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:07,359
these are the perfect things

1898
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,400
to put

1899
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,679
in a in a big phone home type format in

1900
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:13,440
in a letter to a congress or state

1901
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:14,719
representative

1902
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,759
so we can literally just

1903
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,400
take what he said put it in a request

1904
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,480
and then mail it tweet it or whatever

1905
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:24,319
you want to do with it and

1906
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,239
um and he also

1907
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,600
basically

1908
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,359
for at least for me from an activist

1909
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,799
standpoint

1910
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:32,480
really narrowed the focus of what we

1911
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,839
should be asking for and that should be

1912
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,600
to ask congress to challenge the air

1913
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:38,319
force the air force should not be

1914
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:41,679
the end all beyonce on this topic they

1915
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,799
should not have the right to determine

1916
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,199
what information gets through and what

1917
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,960
doesn't and i think that's the most

1918
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:51,759
frustrating part for mr mellon and i

1919
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:55,199
think that is a crystal clear objective

1920
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:55,920
to

1921
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,480
uh for you know an event like the big

1922
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:03,040
phone home or or whoever wants to do

1923
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:04,000
whatever

1924
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:05,600
any kind of activism you could do it

1925
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,960
today you could go read his article

1926
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,440
you know find a list of demands and and

1927
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,159
ask your congress or state senator

1928
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,400
why is the air force think that they are

1929
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,679
king

1930
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,640
why are they not following protocol

1931
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,239
as a taxpayer

1932
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:25,600
like i need to know this uh and so

1933
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,640
you know

1934
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,239
i i think um

1935
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:30,000
or even just their systems luis like

1936
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,320
what we're you get paying so much money

1937
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,679
and there's so much money going into

1938
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,280
those systems and you're not tracking

1939
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,800
anything and i spoke about this with

1940
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,400
chris too i said if we're going to be

1941
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,320
looking at ufos and we're not tracking

1942
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,679
them then i'm worried about foreign

1943
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,679
adversaries too so there's i think a

1944
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,600
larger conversation about the systems

1945
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,440
and what you're investing into and if

1946
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:49,120
they're not working fix them or do

1947
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,320
something better and put the money

1948
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:52,080
somewhere else yeah i mean not

1949
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,640
concerning christine i want to

1950
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,239
sorry i was just excited you mentioned

1951
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,000
this because it was a concern that i

1952
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,719
have of this idea of

1953
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,120
of only focusing on this new information

1954
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,920
my my issue with the brand new stuff

1955
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,550
we're never gonna see all of it

1956
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:11,360
like

1957
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:15,280
the the the systems the processes we're

1958
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,960
never gonna see all of it because these

1959
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:19,040
are things that are still being used

1960
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:20,239
today

1961
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,199
and so

1962
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,040
i i i

1963
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:25,360
liked and and then did not like lose

1964
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:28,960
answer on this and it was this idea that

1965
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:31,280
you know there is that the data

1966
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,560
collection

1967
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,440
apparatus is not as good in the 50s and

1968
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,320
60s as it is today which is you cannot

1969
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,280
argue that no hands down in the 90s they

1970
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,679
were pretty good in the 80s in the 70s

1971
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,760
like i feel like all of these a lot of

1972
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:47,679
these systems were predecessors to what

1973
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,640
we have today and they were you know the

1974
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,560
growing pains of those systems were the

1975
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:55,679
70s 80s and 90s and so i think there is

1976
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,400
a wealth of information that is should

1977
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:01,679
not be classified that should be able to

1978
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:04,960
paint a better picture for the public

1979
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:09,120
but with that said i 100 understand lou

1980
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,480
elizondo's

1981
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,880
other answer to this which was

1982
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,480
congress just doesn't have the attention

1983
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,520
span they cannot sit through 40 or 50

1984
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:19,760
years worth of uap uh

1985
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:22,560
like we cannot have

1986
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,320
the two the four day 12 you know 10 hour

1987
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,480
days at that they did in the national

1988
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,120
press club like as

1989
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,880
ambitious as that was the first time

1990
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,800
that's ever been done we can't do that

1991
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,640
in congress it's way too long they're

1992
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:38,320
never going to sit through a week of

1993
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,120
that

1994
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,640
never they're going to get bored they're

1995
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,320
going to walk out they've got other

1996
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,360
things to do it's got to be presented

1997
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,159
like he said bite size simple

1998
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,719
they could do it in a in one you know

1999
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,120
either press briefing or you know open

2000
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,520
briefing or classified or meant multiple

2001
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,520
classified briefings but you know it's

2002
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,520
got to be in bits man it can't we can't

2003
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,760
just throw oh here are the abductions

2004
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,080
here's the cases from the 80s 90s 60s

2005
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,000
70s and 40s what about this what about

2006
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:08,000
this one about this what when a

2007
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,280
congressman who's sitting there today

2008
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,719
like my kids history doesn't care about

2009
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,560
the 70s they care about today like

2010
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,440
what's going on right now and so i

2011
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,199
it frustrates me but at the same time i

2012
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:19,120
totally understand the reasoning behind

2013
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,840
it

2014
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:21,679
um i just think

2015
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,040
from a clarity to provide clarity for

2016
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,520
everyone in the community and anyone who

2017
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,120
might be getting into this that's

2018
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,360
curious i think looking into those

2019
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:33,920
systems and into those decades

2020
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,400
is important i don't know if it's the

2021
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,800
thing on the front burner agree there

2022
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,800
it's probably on the back burner but at

2023
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,880
some point i think it's important to the

2024
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,480
discussion because

2025
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,520
we need clarity on a lot of these things

2026
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,120
and because

2027
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,960
conspiracy theories

2028
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,320
pop out of

2029
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,400
things with not enough clarity not

2030
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,480
enough information not enough data and

2031
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,400
so that's what we're trying we're trying

2032
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,960
to prevent belief systems we're trying

2033
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,199
to prevent conspiracy theories and the

2034
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,600
more clarity we have on this topic the

2035
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,520
better it is for everyone including

2036
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,600
elected representatives

2037
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:11,920
because i think if you do release those

2038
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,560
decades of data and information at some

2039
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,880
point i think if if a congressman is

2040
01:14:20,310 --> 01:14:18,080
really into this and they're getting

2041
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:20,320
these classified briefings and there's

2042
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:21,920
already a wealth of data that they could

2043
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:24,239
go back and also check just to make sure

2044
01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:25,920
that they're doing the right thing from

2045
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,840
a

2046
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,880
public uh

2047
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,199
you know uh

2048
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,280
elected official perspective

2049
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,320
then awesome you know like what's i

2050
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,880
don't see the problem with more data and

2051
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,600
so

2052
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,920
you know that's um we would you agree to

2053
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,280
disagree i guess there a little bit with

2054
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,920
lou but other than that man i i i loved

2055
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,159
it i i think this is yeah he's crystal

2056
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,840
clear focus on what the intention for

2057
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,600
the next big phone home will be

2058
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:53,679
uh or at least one of the missions you

2059
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,840
know this is crystal clear we have it

2060
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,600
they wrote it for us they literally put

2061
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,000
it in writing for all of us uh right

2062
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:05,110
absolutely lou and um two points i want

2063
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,760
to bring up playing off of that um this

2064
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:10,560
is the time where people like paul dean

2065
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:11,760
people like

2066
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,280
um uh john greenwald or um

2067
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:17,760
you know danny silva joe mergia insert

2068
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,800
ufo researcher here who put so much who

2069
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,120
put so much time and effort into

2070
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,960
transcribing every interview that these

2071
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:27,440
people are a part of and finding things

2072
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,400
that they can then foia request or do

2073
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:33,040
this or like you said now we have a

2074
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:34,080
whole

2075
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,159
issue brought to the forefront that can

2076
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:37,920
now be a part of the big phone home or

2077
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,239
further requests to congress here in the

2078
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,040
u.s i think it's awesome but um chrissy

2079
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:45,520
i want to get your thoughts on this as a

2080
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,440
canadian like this entire conversation

2081
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:49,600
was about the united states air force

2082
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,030
i love my country but it's the

2083
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,960
conversation of our uap conversation

2084
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:00,800
which is like absolutely that needs to

2085
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:03,679
um elevate if if anything but my

2086
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,440
question for you is um i know victor um

2087
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,600
has brought up and other researchers as

2088
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:10,960
well and chris even brought it up in the

2089
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,320
article this idea that nato has

2090
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,239
a lot of these reports but here in the

2091
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:18,320
united states we literally don't have

2092
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,640
access to those reports of uap um we are

2093
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,719
not they are classified in some every

2094
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:27,040
sense of the word um but in

2095
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,400
canada which again is joint us in canada

2096
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:33,520
that's what norad is uh up in the north

2097
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,199
uh you guys can request these things so

2098
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:40,159
yeah i mean if anything like anyone

2099
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,000
watching this who lives in canada like

2100
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:44,880
this is your opportunity chris

2101
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:46,400
is doing that all the time now you gotta

2102
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,229
yeah and i agree that there you know

2103
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,239
daniel and i have had a side chat online

2104
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,159
about this through email just about how

2105
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,080
hard it is to get through at times right

2106
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,920
and and then he knows this and he would

2107
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:01,360
publicly say that too because he's a

2108
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,679
journalist in it so the conversation i

2109
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,600
think will become bigger at some point

2110
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,360
unfortunately as canadians we kind of

2111
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,600
follow along where americans will break

2112
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,120
stories and then our news media will

2113
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:13,040
break a week or two after or sometimes

2114
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,800
depending on the story they break a day

2115
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,800
day after but the ufo subject in the

2116
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,120
report was like literally like two weeks

2117
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,520
after and i watched it going oh my god

2118
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,280
like and i'm you know i'm also trying to

2119
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:25,199
seed myself in my own way because we

2120
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,320
have enough people in the deep brief

2121
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:28,400
that can speak to it we also have you

2122
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,159
know mj banayas which is a canadian and

2123
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,960
who can speak to it too on a ufo side so

2124
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:34,080
they're

2125
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,520
it's hard to break through and we're

2126
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,280
trying to and i think that people should

2127
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,280
start requesting and i at one point it

2128
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,679
will happen we're just not there yet and

2129
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,360
you know victor vigiani has been trying

2130
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,280
to do this for the longest period of

2131
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:47,520
time of seeding information and seeding

2132
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,199
stories that are legit to canadian media

2133
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,199
but i think at some point they kind of

2134
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,760
laughed and blacklisted him earlier on

2135
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,520
now they're going okay

2136
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,040
you know this is this is actually

2137
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:01,199
serious and i do have some you know news

2138
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,719
talk journalists and stuff that follow

2139
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,560
me on my instagram and follow my twitter

2140
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,480
and see what i'm doing so their eyes are

2141
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,600
there and they're watching i have

2142
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:08,880
someone from the canadian press that

2143
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,400
watches my stories

2144
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:12,480
so they're figuring out i think just as

2145
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,520
much and then how are they going to

2146
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,239
frame the story so at some point in time

2147
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,520
it will happen

2148
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,840
but i i kind of want to can i go back to

2149
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:20,960
a conversation that you guys were just

2150
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,880
chatting about before about the

2151
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:24,239
dissemination

2152
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,840
the question i wanted to ask now that i

2153
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,920
think about it is like lou and chris is

2154
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,360
why are we not talking about

2155
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,360
dissemination of information internally

2156
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,320
within the dod and just all departments

2157
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,840
of why they haven't systematically

2158
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,080
created a process that they can

2159
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,320
distribute information that it gets

2160
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,760
there quicker and that it's more

2161
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,440
accurate i don't know why there's still

2162
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,679
these issues and i would like to know

2163
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:47,520
from them why and if anybody listening

2164
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:48,800
or in the chat

2165
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,400
why there's we still have this

2166
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:52,719
dissemination of journal information

2167
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,960
issues like i think we should be at a

2168
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:57,040
better place now especially since 9 11

2169
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,400
you would imagine that they would be at

2170
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,320
a better place and with all these

2171
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:01,920
conversations going on that someone

2172
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,000
would be creating some kind of system

2173
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,679
well i think that's the whole point of

2174
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,199
the new office

2175
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,760
yeah

2176
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,280
unclog

2177
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,520
where the data is getting

2178
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,800
stopped

2179
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,360
force

2180
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,000
and and also part other parts of you

2181
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,239
know the the army the air the baby the

2182
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,480
fbi the cia the whole point of the new

2183
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,560
office is they'll be able to go across

2184
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,480
all of these intelligence agencies and

2185
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,600
say give us all of your data on uaps and

2186
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:33,440
ufos whatever you've collected from this

2187
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,159
time period of this time period and it's

2188
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:38,239
mandated it's a congressional law they

2189
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:39,440
have to

2190
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,320
uh comply but if they don't they run the

2191
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:46,560
risk of getting their budget messed with

2192
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,920
in the next ndaa so right it's going to

2193
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,320
be interesting to see the only the the i

2194
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,320
think for this first year at least my

2195
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,199
expectation that i'm setting is that you

2196
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:59,360
know let's let the we got to figure out

2197
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,880
where the office is going to be who's

2198
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,080
going to run the office who's the

2199
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,520
spokesperson for the office there's so

2200
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,199
many things to set up and then they got

2201
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,520
the office okay so it's supposed to it's

2202
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,520
supposed to be in there by june which

2203
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:11,760
means they got from june until october

2204
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,040
31st to provide that first report

2205
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960
to the public right

2206
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,600
and then you know i think after that

2207
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,440
first report which i don't think is

2208
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,199
going to be i think it's going to be

2209
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,120
similar maybe a little better to what we

2210
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:27,679
got last year and then the next year

2211
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,480
once all of their processes and their

2212
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:33,360
what their mission is how they implement

2213
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,880
or or or or um you know send people out

2214
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,800
into the field what that looks like what

2215
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:40,800
budget for that is like all of these

2216
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,120
things i think will be a lot better in

2217
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,080
like more in place than they will be in

2218
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,679
this scramble to get this office

2219
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,679
together but i think that's the idea is

2220
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,760
to is to make sure

2221
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:53,520
that when this office especially is

2222
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,320
established that we as the constituency

2223
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,560
continue to put the pressure

2224
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,600
on our representatives to say hey what's

2225
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,120
going on with the office has the air

2226
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,120
force decided to release information and

2227
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,800
why is the air force again like

2228
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,040
christopher mellon said why are they

2229
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,800
the the line in the sand when it comes

2230
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,800
to this information coming through or

2231
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,199
not like it it's completely against

2232
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:17,920
protocol and now we have a law that is

2233
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,320
going to force you to comply with that

2234
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,840
protocol so

2235
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,040
yeah and it'll be interesting to see

2236
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,120
who's going to stronghold after this

2237
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,880
point too because it's then the question

2238
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,800
is well what else do you know

2239
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,719
and so much more out of that like it's

2240
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,880
we've never been to this point so it is

2241
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,560
exciting i always say like in the next

2242
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,080
this year in the next coming years like

2243
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,840
get ready we literally just opened

2244
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,320
pandora's box i think we did i think we

2245
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,480
did but it's up to us like it's so

2246
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,239
important that we understand this it is

2247
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,560
up to us to keep the if there's no

2248
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,639
pressure coming even if it's a little

2249
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:50,800
bit even slowly a few thousand people

2250
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:51,600
like

2251
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:55,679
writing and saying and asking these

2252
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,880
questions um i think if the pressure

2253
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:00,880
isn't put on we could easily lose this

2254
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,760
office in a next presidential cycle or

2255
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:05,440
when the senate and

2256
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:09,360
and um or and and congressmen flip seats

2257
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,639
you know so

2258
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:12,800
this thing could go away

2259
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,679
in a physical cycle

2260
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:17,840
we got to make sure we we

2261
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,000
we're constantly harping on the new

2262
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,600
people coming in and the old people

2263
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,199
going out and making sure that this is

2264
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,360
something that every committee is aware

2265
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,360
of and every new member is aware of

2266
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,080
constantly so it's on us it really is i

2267
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,679
agree with that too because i think that

2268
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,440
news media will cycle in and out of it

2269
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,280
we can't rely on them you do have to

2270
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,440
rely on alternative media that's not

2271
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,360
mainstreaming or that knows in the space

2272
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,920
that has more conversations in it and

2273
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:43,679
yeah keep pushing it i do agree with

2274
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:46,000
that because my i have fear that you're

2275
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:47,360
going to get extreme groups or other

2276
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,400
things that are going to happen and

2277
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,239
attach themselves to the ufo topic

2278
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,480
because it's becoming so political that

2279
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,639
we need to be mindful that you know we

2280
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,159
need to and then media will stop

2281
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,600
listening to it politically they might

2282
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:59,520
stop listening to it that there is just

2283
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:01,040
this common ground where we're just

2284
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,639
looking for facts and information and

2285
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,560
we're not making it political we're not

2286
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,960
you know making it any form of extremism

2287
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,719
we're just literally finding facts and

2288
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,239
information and putting it and pushing

2289
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:12,159
it through and i think that's right i

2290
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,440
agree i think it's yeah we're not

2291
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:16,880
yelling we're politely demanding exactly

2292
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:17,679
you know

2293
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,360
like it matters

2294
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,400
it does it's decorum it's decorative

2295
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,719
and this the conversation we had today

2296
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,280
was primarily government-related uh

2297
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,440
military-related air force specific but

2298
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,440
michael brings up a good point or folks

2299
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,000
could investigate ufos instead i think

2300
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,560
he's right we have to keep in mind that

2301
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,080
this entire

2302
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,560
military conversation and narrative

2303
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,560
that's popped up since 2000 it's always

2304
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,120
been there but primarily in 2017 in the

2305
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,719
mainstream um is one piece of the puzzle

2306
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,560
to this huge

2307
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:52,880
vast array of phenomena in that like

2308
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:55,040
yeah there are still boots on the ground

2309
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:56,480
investigators out there every day

2310
01:24:02,709 --> 01:23:59,920
investigating ufo cases and um

2311
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,719
all we can do is continue to do that and

2312
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,719
bring more data to people like chris

2313
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:07,280
mellon and people like luella zondo who

2314
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:08,000
are

2315
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,400
using that i mean louis said so many

2316
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,520
times

2317
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:14,320
like the task force i'm sure and even

2318
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,760
during a tip like they they were looking

2319
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,760
at what you guys have done because

2320
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:20,960
you're the ones who have been paying

2321
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,600
attention to this topic when we have it

2322
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,600
um so you know that might boost the ego

2323
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,520
of a lot of ufo researchers out there to

2324
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,520
be like oh they are paying attention and

2325
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,600
that's awesome but they

2326
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:34,159
that's good they are actually using

2327
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,440
information from the public they're

2328
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,600
using data from the public to try to

2329
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,360
figure out what this stuff is and i

2330
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,639
think we're going to see more of that

2331
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,320
with this new um

2332
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,719
gila brand amendment and even this uh

2333
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,719
the pentagon program or group that's

2334
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,960
going to be starting up like they're

2335
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:51,760
including the commercial pilots and the

2336
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,719
faa in this that's a big step that was

2337
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,880
not part of their investigations earlier

2338
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,280
so we got to keep that in mind too we've

2339
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,440
now two offices looking into ufos in

2340
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,000
this new year it's insane

2341
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:06,320
like right whoever thought we'd be here

2342
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,040
yeah

2343
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,800
not two offices

2344
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,120
one maybe but not two

2345
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:13,600
so it yeah i mean we just have to be

2346
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:14,800
patient we have to manage our

2347
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,960
expectations and we just have to stay

2348
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,960
vigilant you know like i was gonna say

2349
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:20,960
in canada i mean maybe if we could route

2350
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:27,040
these truckers to to to uh to nab canada

2351
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,639
yeah you know we'll get these truckers

2352
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:30,560
to get some ufo information from nab

2353
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,560
canada up there maybe maybe we could

2354
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,800
bring some force of disclosure from uh

2355
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,880
yeah we're going through

2356
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,639
yeah canada's going through its own

2357
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,560
moment right now so once we go through

2358
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,719
that then i i do i think there should be

2359
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,800
a conversation with a group of canadians

2360
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,480
and with people that are into the

2361
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,159
subject and there there has been

2362
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:51,199
politically conversations that i know of

2363
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:53,600
um that have happened in canada for not

2364
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,760
just like from certain parties obviously

2365
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,520
i can't say who but

2366
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,600
their their conversations are being had

2367
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,760
they're just not at a level yet where

2368
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,760
they've pushed into the mainstream and

2369
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,840
then our you know our i was gonna say

2370
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,679
president our prime minister has been

2371
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,040
able to take a stand in it or a

2372
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,800
conversation around it or anything like

2373
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,480
that like we're gonna i think we will

2374
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,320
see it in the next little bit but it's

2375
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,400
just gonna take some time and it's gonna

2376
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:19,040
take a campaign of lobbying and all

2377
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,480
these other things to to get the

2378
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:22,239
conversation going because canadians are

2379
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,880
interested there are so many i you know

2380
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,400
i hear it on myself where people send

2381
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,320
you like oh my gosh i have a ufo story

2382
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,480
or i have this or i have that like it's

2383
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,400
and people talk about it all the time

2384
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:33,600
it's just not something that the

2385
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:35,840
mainstream wants to pick up yet

2386
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,960
it might be because they feel that the

2387
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,120
u.s has a handle on it but it's not true

2388
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,880
we need to all work together especially

2389
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:43,040
serving sister and countries so it makes

2390
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,560
sense and we have so much data that

2391
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,800
we're able to share um and i don't and i

2392
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,639
don't know if we're at that point yet i

2393
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,400
know that we people have been

2394
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:53,360
briefed in canada about the ufo topic in

2395
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:54,960
the states um

2396
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:55,840
from

2397
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,000
a government perspective but i don't

2398
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,880
know about data sharing yet so

2399
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,639
yeah i you know what and that just

2400
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,719
reminded me of something and we'll wrap

2401
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:07,600
things up in a minute here guys um

2402
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,320
but

2403
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,400
that uh chris brought up in the article

2404
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:13,199
too is like there were

2405
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,239
communications going on on like you know

2406
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:18,719
a secret little chat room with air force

2407
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,400
people reporting things and also air

2408
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,880
force officials telling their people

2409
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,280
do not go to this uap task force with

2410
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,080
anything before coming to us and like

2411
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:33,120
literally encouraging them not to report

2412
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:33,920
when

2413
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,560
this preliminary assessment said we are

2414
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,960
encouraging them to report so again it's

2415
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:41,040
just so frustrating to hear

2416
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,719
things like that in chris's article of

2417
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:44,800
like they were trying and then they were

2418
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:47,360
told not to and you gotta wonder is that

2419
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:50,080
happening in australia in the uk in

2420
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,199
canada in the us whatever five eyes like

2421
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,960
you wanna you wanna get into with that

2422
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,920
um

2423
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,600
is that happening with the air force in

2424
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,000
each of these nations as well um the

2425
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:02,080
ones who are supposed to be at the

2426
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,880
forefront of what's in our skies i

2427
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,239
i don't know and then you look at other

2428
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,159
countries like russia and china also

2429
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:10,560
getting in on trying to understand what

2430
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,199
uap are and china really flexing with

2431
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,360
their ai thing yeah like we're gonna

2432
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:17,280
create a database with ai and we're

2433
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,400
gonna crack this code like us does

2434
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,920
definitely doesn't want that especially

2435
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,080
right now when china and russia are

2436
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:26,159
buddying up um

2437
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:29,440
it's it's scary um not just from a uap

2438
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:32,320
standpoint but um perspective like where

2439
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,520
we're heading

2440
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,159
in the world in general but um what that

2441
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,800
might mean for uap as well

2442
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,560
i don't know i don't know i no i agree

2443
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,239
with you i think those conversations

2444
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,239
with russia and china are so important

2445
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,239
right now and that we need to have them

2446
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:48,159
especially if the technology that they

2447
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:50,159
they just have in their own space along

2448
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,679
with them what they learn in the uap

2449
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,360
space and how they're going to go about

2450
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,000
using it i have a i have a concern to it

2451
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:58,000
too and that growing concern i think is

2452
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,600
happening but again

2453
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,440
the mainstream media hasn't had a full

2454
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:03,679
conversation around it so i think we

2455
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,199
will be at a point i just don't want to

2456
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,480
be at a point where you know we start

2457
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:07,840
coming out of covet and then we're like

2458
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,920
hey now we have to worry about this i

2459
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:11,600
think we should should start having it

2460
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,400
now

2461
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:14,400
and more and more and more as possible

2462
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:16,159
yeah and i and i'm glad

2463
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,360
you're talking about it in the infield

2464
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,920
community 100 yep and i think that

2465
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,840
that's like it's great that we're

2466
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,520
talking about that you know it's it's

2467
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:25,679
insane how much the ufo community sits

2468
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,120
in things from

2469
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,440
like it's it's unbelievable it's one of

2470
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:30,800
the topics that i don't i don't think

2471
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,400
there's any topic that i really know of

2472
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:33,920
that sits everywhere right well

2473
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:37,280
obviously we're an area of study but

2474
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,719
the best example i can think of is that

2475
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:40,239
rubber duck video that came out last

2476
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,199
year

2477
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,679
right of that i you know i forgot about

2478
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:45,679
that so you talk about intentions but

2479
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:47,679
but most most people most people agree

2480
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:50,719
that it's it's a drug running drone

2481
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,719
and i mean for me i was like see that

2482
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,600
man how cool is it that ufo twitter

2483
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,440
found a drug running

2484
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,120
online

2485
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,280
like this is awesome this is your hour

2486
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,440
long of drug running footage like this

2487
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:05,040
is kind of cool

2488
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,040
um i didn't think it was a ufo but yeah

2489
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:09,280
i mean just to prove your point of like

2490
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,760
how this topic could kind of leak into a

2491
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:13,520
lot of things that you weren't thinking

2492
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,639
of before and how we kind of crashed uh

2493
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,080
you know like i think we helped the

2494
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:20,719
department of homeland security on that

2495
01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:22,480
you know we broke it down better than

2496
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:24,080
anyone yeah

2497
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,880
yeah

2498
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,880
you know i i think i think stuff like

2499
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:28,159
that's valuable but i this was

2500
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,600
interesting too because i did notice

2501
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:31,360
this why does lou elizondo have a

2502
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,800
russian atlas displayed on his shelf

2503
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:37,120
congratulations ryan your show just your

2504
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:38,960
show just accused blue elizondo of being

2505
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:44,629
that's the that'll be out there

2506
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:52,070
oh yeah it's true i was like what is

2507
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:53,280
that back there it looks like russian

2508
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,679
writing it's probably souvenirs dude

2509
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,600
everyone in the chat was like all right

2510
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:00,000
elizondo took three gulps of water chris

2511
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:02,560
took one chris's pocket square is here i

2512
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,760
love that

2513
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,040
thank you

2514
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,440
i love that you guys are doing that and

2515
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:08,960
that's what keeps things fun and

2516
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,199
interesting i hope someone breaks down

2517
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:13,360
this interview today and finds some

2518
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:15,040
things that we didn't while we were

2519
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:16,960
trying to you know deal with all this

2520
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,040
and i also want to apologize with some

2521
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:21,360
of the lag um i think it's honestly

2522
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:24,400
because of the bandwidth this was by far

2523
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:27,280
the most viewers i have ever had during

2524
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:29,520
a live stream at once so i'm gonna have

2525
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,159
to upgrade my stream yard again

2526
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,679
congratulations

2527
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,520
you're a new streamer out there don't

2528
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,360
forget to like and subscribe the channel

2529
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:39,360
thank you yes please like and subscribe

2530
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,639
to this video share if you can um we

2531
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,800
would really appreciate it but let's um

2532
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,960
let's let's go with that lou um i'm

2533
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:49,199
gonna debrief with um chrissy for a

2534
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,920
little bit here but before we let you go

2535
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:53,679
can you tell us what you got going on

2536
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:56,239
tonight at ucr what's to come in the

2537
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:58,080
coming days and uh yeah i'm talking to

2538
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,360
bryce

2539
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,639
know yes

2540
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,840
journalist

2541
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,760
producer writer

2542
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,760
uh he lives in my neighborhood so i hope

2543
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:10,000
to meet him soon face to face uh so

2544
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:12,000
that'll be he's kind of my boss to be

2545
01:32:18,070 --> 01:32:14,480
honest i do write for him over at uh on

2546
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,080
the trail of the saucers yeah

2547
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,239
he's the one who always emails me he's

2548
01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:22,960
like dude this sucks i gotta rewrite it

2549
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,310
for you

2550
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:24,800
[Laughter]

2551
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:27,840
he he is an amazing editor and he makes

2552
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,080
me sound way better than i actually am

2553
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:31,679
no i can't wait to talk to him it's

2554
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:33,760
gonna be fun um and then monday we've

2555
01:32:37,590 --> 01:32:36,080
got actually christopher plane coming on

2556
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:37,600
yeah

2557
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:39,280
so we're gonna talk about we're to break

2558
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:41,040
down the the christopher mellon article

2559
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:43,120
even more um

2560
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:46,960
and uh and yeah so that'll be fun

2561
01:32:50,590 --> 01:32:49,280
awesome yeah and chris did contribute a

2562
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:50,600
lot of um

2563
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,360
amalgamated questions that we came up

2564
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,440
with today so i want to thank him i want

2565
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:57,679
to thank micah hanks i want to thank you

2566
01:33:01,110 --> 01:33:00,239
chrissy especially for um making this

2567
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:01,120
happen

2568
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,239
um with lou uh you know we talked early

2569
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,880
on of getting chris on um because we

2570
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:08,880
kind of knew this article was coming for

2571
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:12,320
a while now um but he he he asked he's

2572
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:15,840
like would it be okay for like elizondo

2573
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:17,920
to join us and we were both like

2574
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,960
yes please can you do that and you can

2575
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,040
tell like the rapport like they work

2576
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,280
well off of each other they're like i'm

2577
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:27,360
the odd couple of intelligence

2578
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,080
communities and ufology so um yeah

2579
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:32,639
please thank the debrief for me uh for

2580
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,280
sure on that it was um it was awesome

2581
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,520
and please everyone go look at chrissy's

2582
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,360
interview with with christopher mellen

2583
01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:41,040
as well over at the debrief because she

2584
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:42,639
covered a lot of stuff we did not talk

2585
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:45,600
about today either so um go back in the

2586
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:47,440
debriefs youtube channel you can check

2587
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,960
that out um but enough shameless plugs

2588
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,840
lou

2589
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:53,360
thank you thank you for running this

2590
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,280
show that was a lot of fun you lose yeah

2591
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:56,800
no problem it was

2592
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,350
yeah yeah i wasn't like oh god man don't

2593
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:04,800
get me started

2594
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,840
um but good luck tonight my bad anytime

2595
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:09,120
yeah i'm gonna get out of here i gotta

2596
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:10,960
go prep for my show at one but uh but

2597
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:12,400
yeah that was a lot of fun we'll see you

2598
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,440
soon

2599
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:15,040
thanks brother all right have a great

2600
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:24,790
like ryan like you cover this topic so

2601
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:26,719
well like it's just

2602
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:28,000
we have to say thank you for you for

2603
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,750
there's always ufology but as many know

2604
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:44,800
there's not

2605
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:47,840
money in ufology so any any of the super

2606
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:49,520
chats you guys gave today are super

2607
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:51,440
stickers i so appreciate it those go

2608
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:53,440
right back into the show and making it

2609
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:55,600
bigger and better um and speaking of

2610
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:58,400
bigger and better chrissy

2611
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:01,440
let's do it yeah the reason you are here

2612
01:35:06,790 --> 01:35:04,400
you are not just my co-pilot on today's

2613
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:06,800
episode but we are here to officially

2614
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:09,280
announce that you are going to be one of

2615
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,590
yes thank you when you asked me i was i

2616
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:19,199
remember you text me and i was like like

2617
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:21,040
oh my god i'm like yeah how could i not

2618
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,800
say no you're like when you get asked

2619
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:25,199
about co-pilot at times when different

2620
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:26,560
shows within your favorite podcast

2621
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:28,320
you're like uh yeah it's like a

2622
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,880
no-brainer so i'm just i'm just happy

2623
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,840
part of the team that's no i am i'm so

2624
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,000
happy and honored to have you

2625
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,400
on board um there are other

2626
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:41,040
projects that you and i are working on

2627
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:42,880
off the record that we can't talk about

2628
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:44,880
um but i thought what better way to

2629
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,880
really start that that working

2630
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,719
relationship than on somewhere in the

2631
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,320
skies and there's a lot of reasons i

2632
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,800
asked you to do this um

2633
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,480
your access to

2634
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,520
um a lot of very very influential

2635
01:36:03,109 --> 01:35:59,679
individuals both in the pr world that

2636
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,119
you work in and in the ufo world are um

2637
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:06,880
essential and they're people and topics

2638
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,440
that i've never thought about and i

2639
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,679
thought could bring something

2640
01:36:17,109 --> 01:36:13,360
new to somewhere in the skies i mean we

2641
01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:17,119
are primarily a ufo show here but um the

2642
01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,199
things you talk about on rebelliously

2643
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,199
curious your show at the debrief and

2644
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,600
other things you talk about um

2645
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:25,600
are so like

2646
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,159
connected in their own weird ways to

2647
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,719
ufology that i thought

2648
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:32,800
we got to do this we have to expand we

2649
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,440
have to explore there's more to to life

2650
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,320
than just ufos so that was one of the

2651
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:40,639
reasons um that i wanted to have you

2652
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:43,440
come on and also like this is a labor of

2653
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:46,560
love i dedicate oh yeah almost

2654
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:47,920
9 10

2655
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:51,119
12 hours a day to the podcast um you

2656
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,560
know how much prep goes into these

2657
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,560
things and production and

2658
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,280
scheduling and recording and it's hard

2659
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,679
to do a weekly show by yourself as i've

2660
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,159
done for almost two years now and um

2661
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:04,400
produce the quality content that is

2662
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:06,719
expected of you so i thought this would

2663
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,199
be an amazing opportunity for whatever

2664
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,760
you can't cover with the debrief to

2665
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:13,920
bring it over to somewhere in the skies

2666
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:17,360
and give me more time to research that i

2667
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:19,360
could bring forward give me a time to

2668
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:21,199
breathe for a little bit and let you

2669
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:24,080
have a voice um on my platform as well

2670
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:26,000
as you guys have done for me

2671
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:27,840
at the debrief which is just incredible

2672
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:30,560
i i love working with all of you i'm

2673
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:32,480
honored that i would even be considered

2674
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,440
a writer at the debrief um so i thought

2675
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:37,360
we got to return the favor and there's

2676
01:37:41,189 --> 01:37:39,040
no better person i could think of micah

2677
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:41,199
hanks is also going to be joining me for

2678
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,639
some sporadic co-hosting as well but um

2679
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,040
no i wanted to thank you for agreeing to

2680
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:49,440
do it the pressure is on and i know

2681
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:50,800
you're going to be bringing us some new

2682
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:53,199
stuff um yeah we've talked off air we

2683
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,679
got some very interesting guests coming

2684
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,320
up that we can't announce just yet but

2685
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,239
holy hell things i've never brought up

2686
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:02,320
on the show before so i'm really excited

2687
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,000
but yeah yeah do you have anything to

2688
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,480
add to that i i thank you that was that

2689
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,840
was thank you and we expect you to say

2690
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,000
all that um i'm just excited to be part

2691
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:12,080
of the team and i we literally just had

2692
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,080
this conversation in our debrief meeting

2693
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:15,600
this morning before i jumped onto this

2694
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,159
live stream where we talk about just how

2695
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,760
this topic in science tech and

2696
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,520
everything you can always have an

2697
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,480
underlying ufo conversation because they

2698
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:27,520
it works hand in hand so i agree i think

2699
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,600
like broadening out makes a lot of sense

2700
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,600
because the awesome thing too is if

2701
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:33,280
you're interested in ufos you're

2702
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:34,159
probably going to be introduced

2703
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,840
introduced in like propulsion you'll be

2704
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:37,840
inter like be curious about all these

2705
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,080
different areas so

2706
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:41,920
especially in science and what's going

2707
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:43,840
on with tech so no matter what if you're

2708
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:46,000
learning about ufos you might if you're

2709
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,440
learning or here for ufos you might

2710
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:49,440
learn something else as well or just be

2711
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,960
you know intrigued by something else to

2712
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:52,719
go look at it so i just think that

2713
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,280
having a broad perspective makes sense

2714
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,440
and it's fun like it's just it's a lot

2715
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,440
of it's fun well and again like i've

2716
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,960
told people from the very start there

2717
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,480
were two reasons i started somewhere in

2718
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:05,199
the skies it was to give a voice to

2719
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,840
those who have seen ufos who've had

2720
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,239
experiences and have nowhere to go to

2721
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:12,080
tell them and to find like-minded

2722
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,280
individuals who will accept that and who

2723
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:17,760
will support them um that was the number

2724
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,239
one reason it was kind of a a spin-off

2725
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:22,480
of my book which was kind of the same

2726
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,080
approach a very human approach to this

2727
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,280
topic but then also it was my selfish

2728
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,320
way of wanting to learn and expand my

2729
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,440
horizons as well i do the show to learn

2730
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,159
i don't do it you know just for

2731
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:38,000
the fact of having a podcast like

2732
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,360
there's so many other things i could be

2733
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,320
doing with my time i do it because i

2734
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,719
like to hear different perspectives and

2735
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:46,639
that's what you hear on somewhere in the

2736
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:49,840
sky so um again and it's so important to

2737
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:52,400
have a few perspectives yeah me too and

2738
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,239
it's so important to have different

2739
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,480
perspectives sorry my dog's having a

2740
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,560
walking around in the background

2741
01:40:02,470 --> 01:40:00,639
um but yeah i agree and i love ryan that

2742
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:02,480
you do that and like and i agree with

2743
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,159
taking the human like a very human

2744
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:05,840
approach to the subject because it is

2745
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,080
like i always say ufos is like in every

2746
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,000
single crevice of everything but if

2747
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,000
anything it is individually specific to

2748
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:13,840
certain people and to us and especially

2749
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:14,800
to people that have had certain

2750
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,719
experiences and the best thing that you

2751
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,199
can do for them is give them a place of

2752
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:21,600
space to express themselves and then

2753
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,880
obviously a group of people that are

2754
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,480
trying to figure out what's going on so

2755
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:26,159
i i think it's it's an amazing

2756
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,440
perspective and i align to that

2757
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,920
immensely so awesome well yeah and this

2758
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,440
is a good point too it's great that

2759
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:32,960
you'll both be co-hosting so much to

2760
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,440
discuss that's another big thing like um

2761
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,480
i bring on who i find interesting or who

2762
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:40,000
i want to have a conversation with but

2763
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:41,840
now this is an opportunity to hear from

2764
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,920
people that you find interesting that

2765
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:45,520
micah finds interesting that other

2766
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,719
individuals find interesting and that i

2767
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,239
never would have thought of again these

2768
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,719
individuals you've already brought to

2769
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,000
somewhere in the skies in the coming

2770
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:55,840
weeks or months um

2771
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,800
not people i would ever um a probably

2772
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,480
ever find and be

2773
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:02,560
ever think could be correlated to this

2774
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:05,440
topic so okay i'm i'm so excited for

2775
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,719
whatever comes next everyone's saying

2776
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,639
group hugs they're all good

2777
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,800
very very excited

2778
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:13,199
we love you too plain christmas i love

2779
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,239
it

2780
01:41:18,870 --> 01:41:16,239
chris is awesome we're covering studios

2781
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,880
everyone every i said we still have a

2782
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,159
record-breaking amount of people

2783
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:23,040
watching this and ours is it left like

2784
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,000
25-30 minutes ago this is incredible

2785
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,320
thank you to everyone um but chrissy

2786
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:29,840
before we go because i know you got a

2787
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:32,800
lot um to do with your day still um what

2788
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,520
do you got going on at the debrief and

2789
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,440
with with the youtube um show

2790
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,320
rebelliously curious and everything over

2791
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,320
there what what's next for you

2792
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:44,080
i'm not gonna say who the guest is yet

2793
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,159
but i am gonna go i've been wanting to

2794
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:48,960
talk about this topic for a while uh

2795
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:51,199
about culture and then the conversation

2796
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,280
of the belief system around ufos um and

2797
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:57,119
like the yeah and the religious kind of

2798
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:58,639
condensations that have been part of

2799
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,159
this community and the conversations

2800
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,320
around it so overall culture belief

2801
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:05,119
systems and religion um and then

2802
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,639
probably so i'll probably probably put

2803
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:08,560
in some past folklore conversations that

2804
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,639
have been brought up too but she is an

2805
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:12,239
academic in the space and one of the

2806
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:13,920
most respected and she's been on

2807
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,960
multiple documentaries so i'm excited to

2808
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,040
talk to her and have that conversation

2809
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:20,880
because it's the culture in the side of

2810
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,440
ufos outside of media is really

2811
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,360
interesting to me and somewhere i like

2812
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:27,440
to focus on myself so learning from her

2813
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:30,320
as an academic in that space is just

2814
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:31,920
you can't ask for anything but better

2815
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,880
right so yeah absolutely well um i want

2816
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,639
to ask you because i just had an

2817
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,880
opportunity to finally sit down and

2818
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,040
watch the whole thing but your interview

2819
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,159
with dave foley like really made some uh

2820
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,639
made some buzz lately um what was that

2821
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,960
like i know you guys have worked

2822
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:51,440
together in the past with um other other

2823
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,880
um pr and stuff but um yeah what did you

2824
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:56,880
take from that conversation he said some

2825
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,440
really interesting stuff about you know

2826
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,600
ufos and pop culture and like the

2827
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:04,719
perception of ufos within comedy and

2828
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:06,080
yeah yeah what did you find most

2829
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,440
compelling about that and what should

2830
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:10,639
people um go and watch it for dave is

2831
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,600
such a cheerleader in so many ways in

2832
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:15,280
the ufo community and i love it and he's

2833
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,000
so

2834
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:18,159
interested in it overall in all

2835
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,760
different perspectives he's friends with

2836
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,840
a lot of people in the ufo community or

2837
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:23,600
knows them and is always kind of asking

2838
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,400
questions

2839
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:25,760
but i just think his overall

2840
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:27,679
understanding of entertainment and the

2841
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:30,080
perception of the way that entertainment

2842
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:31,600
takes this conversation and then how

2843
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,239
they you know the stigma in the past and

2844
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:37,199
what you know he felt himself personally

2845
01:43:40,709 --> 01:43:39,119
that he wasn't told by the government to

2846
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,719
do it but it was kind of just an over

2847
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,639
overall conversation that was kind of

2848
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:44,400
looming in entertainment that it was

2849
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,360
okay to ridicule people with about that

2850
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,520
talked about ufos or had any ufo

2851
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,600
experiences so i find that interesting

2852
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,440
how he felt that he was almost

2853
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,840
conditioned to do it while moving and

2854
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,000
doing his own comedy and then once he

2855
01:44:01,669 --> 01:44:00,000
started looking into the phenomenon he

2856
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,679
realized that there was something here

2857
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,239
so dave talks about that

2858
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:06,880
a lot and i just think that he and he

2859
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,440
breaks down entertainment so well and

2860
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,679
what's the mechanisms around that and

2861
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,360
you know why we're here today and and

2862
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,119
also like his own as we joked around

2863
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:17,679
repenting when he's repented in the ufo

2864
01:44:22,550 --> 01:44:19,920
communion how that started but he is and

2865
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,560
i dave is so wonderful so yeah please go

2866
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:23,840
check it out if you're if you're

2867
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:24,960
interested in the entertainment

2868
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:27,760
perspective of you fault sorry of ufos

2869
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:30,960
the topic of ufos yeah absolutely yeah i

2870
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,280
loved it i absolutely loved it um well

2871
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,920
chrissy i'm gonna let you go you put so

2872
01:44:41,350 --> 01:44:38,320
much work and effort into this episode

2873
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:41,360
your episode yesterday and a lot more of

2874
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:42,880
what the debrief is gonna be coming out

2875
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:45,360
with in the coming weeks um but before

2876
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:47,600
you go we have your twitter right here

2877
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,400
but where can we find everything you are

2878
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,560
up to yeah for sure if they want to

2879
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,400
anybody wants to read the debrief when

2880
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:57,040
you haven't yet and go to thedebrief.org

2881
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:58,800
and then i'm rebelliously curious with

2882
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,960
chrissy newton is my show on youtube and

2883
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,719
then twitter is obviously at the bottom

2884
01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:04,639
chrissy newton and then instagram is

2885
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,159
being chrissy newton i couldn't get

2886
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:09,280
chrissy noon because somebody took it so

2887
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,679
so being chrissy noon is on instagram um

2888
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,280
but yeah i really shows usually

2889
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:16,239
bi-weekly so subscribe to us and uh yeah

2890
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:17,199
and also we have tons of other

2891
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,800
contributors that are there christina

2892
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,719
gomez is one of us as well um that

2893
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:22,719
contributes uh we have a new tech show

2894
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,880
that's out as well i love stefan and

2895
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:26,560
josh that they come out with that i

2896
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,520
believe

2897
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:30,320
as well yeah talk tech um and then we'll

2898
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:31,600
have more new shows coming out

2899
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:34,239
consistently so uh so subscribe please

2900
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:35,840
and follow along

2901
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:38,719
absolutely and if anyone watching this

2902
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:41,760
or listening is um air force or former

2903
01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:43,360
air force and you want to voice your

2904
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:44,719
opinions on what your branch of the

2905
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:47,440
military has done or hasn't done in this

2906
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:50,320
uap issue um please reach out to the

2907
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:53,760
debrief as well it is a amazing platform

2908
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:55,920
to get your voice out there on this

2909
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:58,400
topic and that's the reason

2910
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,880
i believe that chris mellon went to the

2911
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,800
debrief with this article he could have

2912
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,080
gone anywhere he could have put it on

2913
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,760
his own blog he could have gone to the

2914
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:07,280
hill with this he could have gone to a

2915
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,800
lot of places but he even mentioned in

2916
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:10,800
this interview he believed the debrief

2917
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,960
was the home for something like this and

2918
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,800
could really get it out there and get

2919
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:16,960
some eyes on it and people are sending

2920
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,520
him links within the pentagon to the

2921
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,840
debrief article so yeah i think that's

2922
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,280
pretty awesome

2923
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:25,360
it's amazing his yeah he did

2924
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:27,199
he did an interview i believe on

2925
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,880
thursday that it went live with the hill

2926
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:30,719
talking about the article and then on

2927
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:32,320
sunday i believe the hell piece goes out

2928
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:34,320
too so if you're curious to see that you

2929
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,840
can go online and check out his

2930
01:46:39,350 --> 01:46:37,760
interview referencing the debrief and

2931
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,360
you know i'm breaking the story with him

2932
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:41,600
so it's just as great as it was opinion

2933
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:43,840
story i would say but yeah it's great

2934
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:45,280
it's also just to have somebody at that

2935
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,840
level working with us and entrusting us

2936
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,679
in a journalistic side as a as a company

2937
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,080
in a media outlet is wonderful yeah

2938
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,800
absolutely um and before i let you go i

2939
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,880
thought this is pretty funny um

2940
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:58,239
on the

2941
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,800
last two episodes of ancient aliens um

2942
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:02,239
that they did on like the government and

2943
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:04,239
ufos there was the premiere the

2944
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:06,719
disclosure event and then there was the

2945
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:08,800
world on alert which was world ufo

2946
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,119
programs and everything um

2947
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,520
i i was in both of these episodes

2948
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:15,119
talking about all that but i actually

2949
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:17,440
took screenshots and sent them to micah

2950
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:20,000
i think it to mcmillan yeah

2951
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:21,040
you guys

2952
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:24,719
time on ancient aliens than i actually

2953
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,000
did and i filmed with them so again that

2954
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,199
what better mainstream outlet i guess

2955
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:33,280
than ancient aliens to get it out to as

2956
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:35,600
many people as possible so yeah yeah the

2957
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:38,239
debrief is making waves yeah and it's

2958
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,520
only been it's been a little bit of a

2959
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,440
year for us so we're still new in the

2960
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:43,040
context but we're building and we're

2961
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:44,560
growing and that's

2962
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,639
and people love the content so it you

2963
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:48,239
know we we're just happy that people are

2964
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:50,239
here for the ride with us and want to

2965
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,080
like subscribe and want to learn and and

2966
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:54,719
just our entrust us in that space so

2967
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:56,560
it's just it's really great it's really

2968
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:57,760
really great

2969
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:59,760
it's awesome more to come for sure all

2970
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:01,520
right chrissy i'm going to let you go

2971
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:04,400
before i um i um wrap things up here but

2972
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:06,560
thank you thank you for being a part of

2973
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:08,239
this journey of summer in the skies i

2974
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,040
can't wait to see where it all goes and

2975
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:12,960
thank you for all of your work on this

2976
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:14,880
incredible episode today

2977
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:17,440
me too always and i'll see you

2978
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:23,910
um christy's amazing i'm probably gonna

2979
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:26,239
be talking to her right after this uh we

2980
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,520
like i mentioned we have some other

2981
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,760
things we are working on and i can't

2982
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,880
wait to see

2983
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,679
what happens next for um everything

2984
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:35,280
she's doing everything micah and the

2985
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:38,000
debrief are doing um just an incredible

2986
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,360
group over there

2987
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:41,760
as well um but before we go guys thank

2988
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:44,320
you thank you so much for all of your

2989
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,639
questions and comments again i will

2990
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:48,880
forward all of those over to our guests

2991
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:50,560
today as well hopefully they can help

2992
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,199
you out um but other than that please if

2993
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:55,199
you're not subscribe to the youtube

2994
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,920
channel here subscribe click like share

2995
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:01,119
it if you can um or listen to the

2996
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:02,800
podcast subscribe wherever you get

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podcasts just somewhere in the skies

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um

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that's really all i got if you do want

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to help out the show we do have a

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patreon campaign um where for a few

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bucks a month you get early editions of

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every episode our main episodes a few

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more bucks you get a ton of bonus

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content in episodes that i put out and

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just for a few more bucks we are doing

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special roundtables with our patrons

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coming up very soon so

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if you've ever wanted to help the show

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that is a great way to do it there will

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be a link in the show notes for the

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patreon i'm going to run an ad for it

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before we close things up here um i

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really appreciate it i appreciate

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everyone watching listening today um i

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hope i hope this opened the conversation

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for you and everyone else interested in

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this topic and um what comes next for

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the air force and uap so from the bottom

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of my heart um i want to thank everyone

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for being here i see that my uh my dad's

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in the chat here hello to doug sprague

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really appreciate you being here my man

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and to everyone for joining all of us

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today again my special thanks to luis

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jimenez for all of his work backstage

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today and to our guests luis elizondo

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and christopher mellen so

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that's it guys as always keep your feet

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on the ground but never stop searching

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hey guys ryan here the summer in the

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skies podcast is a labor of love every

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week and with that comes many different

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costs to keep the show running that's

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where our patreon campaign comes in you

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give what you think the show is worth

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there's different rewards available all

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the time including shout outs on the

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show early editions of main episodes

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bonus episodes and content and very soon

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monthly patron hangouts where we sit

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back and chat all things ufos so i hope

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you'll consider becoming a patreon

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subscriber today to learn more and to

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join visit patreon.com